[00:14:56] 06Team-Practices, 06Release-Engineering-Team: One year review of RelEng offsite outcomes (April 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112763#2420538 (10greg) 05Open>03declined Yeah, this might very well have been a flawed idea from the beginning. We did a 90-day review, which was useful. We should hav... [03:27:29] kristenlans: I can't see the survey in the drive folder anymore. [03:27:59] kristenlans: I did have the link on my clipboard, though, and it requires permission now. [16:42:48] wow our backlog is lovely! [16:54:24] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Update phab docs to reflect new parent/subtask terminology - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139181#2421839 (10ksmith) [17:01:27] kristenlans: coming - late! [17:01:35] jaufrecht: np [17:34:42] 06Team-Practices, 10Phlogiston (Technical Debt): burnup chart dates should not go so far into the future - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139186#2422066 (10JAufrecht) [17:35:09] rofl jaufrecht RE spike [17:36:36] tried to make an icon for Microsoft Team Foundation Server but never got far [17:42:13] awjr: thanks for the super-clear explanation in the phab comment regarding roadmaps! [17:43:47] meeple27: :) [18:10:55] argh. I disagree with the definition of "spike" in the TPG glossary :( [18:30:30] kristenlans: again, a few minutes late [18:30:46] once again, np jaufrecht :-) [18:32:21] meeple27: what would you change about the definition? [18:32:56] currently it says the spike is the problem, whereas I think the spike is the (potential) solution. Also, it says spikes don't get pointed, but I think they should be [18:35:02] three more minutes [18:37:32] i can edit the definition, but didn't want to do it right in the middle of a phab debate about spikes [19:21:11] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Measure-Light-Engagement, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Define a plan for measuring satisfaction of "light engagement" customers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131303#2422501 (10ggellerman) [19:21:48] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Measure-Light-Engagement, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Define a plan for measuring satisfaction of "light engagement" customers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131303#2162355 (10ggellerman) Added Net Promoter Score to draft of survey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m... [20:51:08] kristenlans: in hangout [20:52:41] meeple27: regarding spikes: I agree that spikes are the potential solution, or at least clarification. I disagree that they should be pointed (unless we're talking man hours instead of estimation). I typically see them as time-boxed. [20:57:50] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [Epic] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2422668 (10Danny_B) [20:58:11] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [Epic] Cross-organizational change management - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137579#2422676 (10Danny_B) [20:58:13] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [Epic] Provide support to people in design-related roles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137479#2422677 (10Danny_B) [20:58:15] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Support-Quarterly, 07Epic: [EPIC] Help plan and prepare Annual Planning retrospective (FY16Q4 goal) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131312#2422678 (10Danny_B) [21:03:22] maxbinder: true about pointing vs. timeboxing. They should be estimated/bound. [21:57:53] maxbinder: I'm heading into the hangout [22:10:17] 06Team-Practices, 10Technical-Collaboration-Guideline, 10WMF-Product-Development-Process, 06Community-Liaisons (Jul-Sep-2016), 07Documentation: Recommendation for projects requesting prioritization or resources - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120070#1844105 (10ggellerman) Removing Team Practices Gro... [22:12:13] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10MediaWiki-Documentation, 07Documentation: Organize a MediaWiki Documentation Day (similar to the Gerrit Cleanup Day) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126500#2015986 (10Awjrichards) Removing Team Practices Group for now. Suggest you consider using a template al... [22:12:57] I think of spikes as the escape valve for estimation: this is too messy to try and estimate, so rather than give up and have anything from (e.g.) 50 to 90% of our time be "off-the-books", let's put in a spike so that hopefully we'll finish the conceptual work and be ready to estimate without having accidentally gone over the (e.g.) 10% of time (one-day spike [22:12:57] in two-week sprint, for example) limit that a spike comprises. [22:16:24] 06Team-Practices, 06Community-Liaisons, 10Technical-Collaboration-Guideline, 10WMF-Product-Development-Process: Collaborate on community-involved Prioritization process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115659#2422839 (10Awjrichards) Removing Team Practices Group for now. If you need something specific... [22:17:40] 06Team-Practices, 10Technical-Collaboration-Guideline, 10WMF-Product-Development-Process, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Proposal: any WMF software project willing to be prioritized requires a concept publicly available - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118231#1795290 (10ggellerman) Removing Team... [22:18:32] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations: Define Cut-off date for abandoning old changesets in our code review tool - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113706#2422847 (10Awjrichards) Removing Team Practices Group for now. If you need something specific from the TPG, we suggest you consider using a template alo... [22:20:44] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 06Release-Engineering-Team: Decision on Wikimedia Foundation service-level agreement on code review times - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113707#1673927 (10ggellerman) Removing Team Practices Group for now. If you need something specific from the TPG, we suggest... [22:23:34] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10Technical-Collaboration-Guideline, 10WMF-Product-Development-Process: Maximize volunteer/staff engineer engagement in MediaWiki software projects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85590#2422866 (10Awjrichards) Removing Team Practices Group for now; a number of... [22:34:15] btw, I like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/How_To_Engage_With_TPG and the controlled mass remove of #tpg from those tasks :) [22:35:35] greg-g: thank you for the support and comment about our draft engagement doc :) [22:39:36] anytime :) [22:41:45] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422898 (10Jdlrobson) [22:41:55] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422911 (10Jdlrobson) a:0520after4>03None [22:42:09] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422898 (10Jdlrobson) [22:42:45] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422898 (10Jdlrobson) [22:42:55] kristenlans: btw, I indicated you were remote here: https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Manager_Training, correct if wrong :) [22:43:22] greg-g: you are correct, thanks you <3 [22:43:31] just wanted to help them [22:43:44] and <3 :) [22:45:42] 06Team-Practices, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422898 (10ori) +1 [22:45:55] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422919 (10greg) We should also, for completeness, list the downsides of removing them. [22:46:43] wow, > 2" of rain in my neighborhood in about an hour [22:46:49] * awjr waves to greg-g [22:47:08] can you send some a bit west and north? [22:47:32] i'll do my best! [22:52:25] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10Phabricator: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422898 (10Paladox) +1 since mediawiki.org allows you to create pages in namespaces to. [22:55:15] ggellerman: can i respond to the email you just sent me next week or is it urgent? [22:55:49] awjr: not urgent. Next week would be great [22:55:58] cool ty ggellerman [22:56:21] :) awjr [23:13:31] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2423073 (10Danny_B) [23:19:35] 06Team-Practices, 06Developer-Relations, 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins, 07RfC: Abandon project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2423076 (10Danny_B)