[17:38:55] kristenlans: awjr: meeple27: jaufrecht: If you believe that there is value in Phab cols limiting WIP by number of tasks rather than number of points, then please reiterate that opinion in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120042 maxbinder: and I already have ;) [17:55:06] ggellerman: i took a look at the task - given that it's being bumped upstream and there are lots of internal comments in support, would you like additional support? should i comment upstream or on the internal task? [17:56:18] I am commenting in the Upstream task now...yes, I would welcome support there :) [17:57:29] it would be nice to not think of task counts AS point, but rather to think about WIP limits and progress bars to measure EITHER points or counts [17:57:38] seems like a bit of a conceptual disconnect there [18:03:03] ye [18:03:05] yea [20:58:16] ggellerman: maxbinder : Evan replied on the upstream ticket, so you might explain the strength of your wishes. (It's not a huge deal to me, so I'm glad I was able to align the conversation, but I'm not the right person to advocate for change.) [20:58:47] meeple27: thanks [21:00:46] meeple27: thanks for joining the discussion on the ticket! maxbinder: thanks for steering me there [21:52:16] MIC DROP! [21:52:24] Creativity = the angel island of values [21:58:49] meeple27: kristenlans: awjr: maxbinder: jaufrecht: if timing of values continuation meeting and juxtaposition to Phab show & tell is bad, then please let me know how important the Phab meeting is (ie, can we postpone it?) [22:18:12] ggellerman: values is more important/timely to me (because it's WIP), but I don't feel too strongly [22:32:14] ggellerman: I value Values over Phab show and tell in the near term. With that said, I don't mind the juxtaposition, since I anticipate the Phab show and tell being pretty chill. [23:01:46] jaufrecht: we VALUE your participation in this meeting