[15:01:27] nataliaharateh: just runnign a few mins late! [15:02:03] no problem kristenlans 👍 [15:03:59] kristenlans: [15:04:23] sorry! :) [16:19:54] nataliaharateh: As your OB, it's my obligation to inform you of Tropical Shirt Fridays [16:20:07] As it is Friday, you should probably wear a tropical shirt. [16:20:52] [end transmission] [16:20:58] I have a modest shirt with palm trees for now 😞 [16:21:49] nataliaharateh: we all have to start somewhere. One day, we might be like meeple27. Legend has it that he's never worn the same shirt twice. [16:29:10] awjr: you are the one ot tip the tea vote [16:29:20] aw jeez [16:29:26] bo pressure [16:29:27] totally forgot - i'll vote right after this mtg [16:32:41] these guys need to talk to katy love stat [16:32:43] whoops [16:32:44] ww [16:32:58] lol [16:46:12] 06Team-Practices: TPG wiki page for boards SOP is out of date - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146485#2662741 (10MBinder_WMF) [16:58:38] to set the record straight, my tropical shirt collection is "only" measured in double digits [17:03:16] meeple27: how long before it becomes triple digits? [17:30:13] kristenlans: be there in one min [18:08:34] ggellerman: didn't we have a plan to propose a more woman friendly alternative to the tropical shirt? [18:08:52] kristenlans: was it a hat? [18:09:08] haha ggellerman that woudl work! [18:09:10] Cape? [18:10:03] kristenlans: would prefer in office friendly attire- so something I'd be wearing anyway [18:10:16] awjr: please vote for Tea Time [18:10:24] Yeah, liek I said, capes! [18:10:25] :P [18:36:10] technically it is just "tropical friday", so you could express that however you wish. Hat, flower in the hair, sunburn, zinc sunblock on the nose... [18:36:48] * meeple27 seriously considers the "flower in hair" option for some future friday [19:13:36] 🌅 🌻 🌇 [19:42:09] 🌴🌴 [20:11:50] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Mock up different approaches to improve TPG backlog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146314#2663271 (10JAufrecht) a:05JAufrecht>03MBinder_WMF Took a stab at diagraming, which I think will help not just the TPG thing but also our recurring "how to set up Phab... [20:11:52] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Mock up different approaches to improve TPG backlog - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146314#2663273 (10JAufrecht) [20:56:25] what are the most common start/end times for offsites? Does it vary with average participant jetlag or with local norms? [20:58:40] jaufrecht: it's been variable for me depending on the team [20:59:08] for single engineering teams, it's generally been appreciated to do half-day(ish) sessions in the afternoon, leaving the AM for hack time [21:00:47] 'generally apprecaited' might be a bit of a stretch now that i think about it - i think i've only experienced that with two teams but they both really liked it. one other team i did the inverse (am session, pm hack time) - they liked doing just half-day sessions, but said they were too fried for hack time by the pm [21:01:12] kristenlans: gon be late [21:02:42] Do we generally want less than 8 total hours for off-sites, given how intense sessions are? [21:07:23] for some reason every time i open a google doc while in a hangout, both docs and the hangout crash :( [21:08:30] jaufrecht: i've had varying experiences depending on the needs/desires/constraints of the team. usually i've tried to have one full day of something fun for the team (eg going on a tour, wine tasting, bumper cars, etc) [21:23:41] awjr: me too ^ [21:24:03] kristenlans: i am kinda relieved to know it isn't just because linux :) [22:30:12] what was the exact list of questions for the Product/Tech Trade Show event? something about working on, delta from plan, ...? [22:32:28] jaufrecht: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2VGg5M3afd8YUQwTWRFc0lscFk [22:32:48] more specifically https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DTRx_bccyGYr6zyrOYmCvQog14XO1Hg5qAkCQfvxooo/edit#slide=id.p [22:33:47] thanks [22:34:12] jaufrecht: openign the first day with the first half of the day as hack time is a nice soft landing - gives people who are lagged a break, and those who are peepy tyime to self-organize aroudn projects of interest [22:35:36] (whatever "peepy tyime " means :P) [22:48:19] ggellerman: are you going to reply to greg or should I? I assume he just needs a different (correct) link [22:48:30] just reading it now [22:48:55] do you have a reply for him? meeple27: [22:49:03] ggellerman: I could [22:49:12] meeple27: i am not sure what problem is [22:49:51] jaufrecht: 9-5 has been the norm from what I have seen. +1 to doing half-day structured, half-day unstructured when possible, and +1 to soft landing the first am [22:49:57] meeple27: that link loads for me [22:50:20] ggellerman: it kind of does for me, but is definitely not the right one (prefill vs. edit/nothing) [22:50:56] -1 to peepy tyime [22:51:00] meeple27: prefill = Supporting orphaned projects for me [22:51:18] ggellerman: why don't I reply and see where that gets us [22:51:31] thanks, meeple27: !! [22:52:41] ggellerman: I don't like the one that got sent to kristenlans for the onsite either [22:53:09] meeple27: what don't you like about it? [22:53:28] meeple27: these links are coming from "get pre-filled link" option [22:54:01] all mornings should be unstructured, or just the first morning? [22:54:10] ggellerman: yeah, I'm guessing that's a problem [22:54:24] jaufrecht: for disco, we swapped back and forth depending on what else was going on [22:54:38] note that mornings tend to be shorter than afternoons, depending on lunch time [22:55:02] meeple27: you'd think that "get pre-filled link" option would deliver a link that one could use or is that a crazy assumption? [22:56:36] ggellerman: yeah, my best guess is that "get pre-filled link" is mislabled, and really means "get link to where I can pre-fill values in the form" [22:57:06] meeple27: I have this memory of Strine recommending the pre-fill link [22:57:18] the way to obtain the end-user-friendly link is to hit Send, click on the chain link, and copy that link ("...viewform"), then cancel [22:57:24] meeple27: maybe Google changed functionality since then [22:57:59] could be. awjr and kristenlans should be aware of this, ideally before theirs go out [22:58:15] meeple27: do you want me to get link that way for Prod Onsite survey? [22:58:18] * meeple27 updates the learning doc based on new understanding of the problem [22:58:28] ggellerman: yes please try [23:01:58] maxbinder et al: The VE team members who did the two-party negotiation asked about doing some of the bigger ones [23:02:03] see anything relevant at http://www.pon.harvard.edu/shop/category/corporate-decision-making-negotiation/ ? [23:02:12] "Two-team (6 person), multi-issue contract negotiation between Canadian zoo CEOs and representatives of Chinese organization responsible for giant panda loans"? [23:05:30] meeple27: I had to send the form to myself to get it to work the way you described...so I had to his send twice, having entered my email, and then I can pull the link from what loads when i click link in email [23:05:47] you don't actually have to send [23:06:07] the trick is immediately after hitting the first send button, when the dialog is up, press the chain link button. That will display the URL that you can copy. [23:06:17] but it sounds like you got what you needed [23:06:28] meeple27: did not see chainlink when I was in send [23:06:42] it's a gray "tab"ish thing [23:06:44] near top [23:07:06] Send via... [23:07:23] jaufrecht: morning totally unstructured (at least by facilitator - I've seen team members organize focus hack time on specific projects) [23:08:54] I'm liking http://www.pon.harvard.edu/shop/designing-an-integrated-account-system-facilitation-in-the-company/ - a negotiation around the requirements for a new computer system. But 3.5 hours. [23:09:22] And http://www.pon.harvard.edu/shop/common-measures/ - negotiation around how to implement new quality control. But 2+ hours. [23:09:51] jaufrecht: also, don't forget to reserve a couple hours at the start for opening ceremony...could be pre-hacking, or first half day could be hacking and then open the afternoon with the ceremony. ceremony here = checkin, working agreements, goals, etc. [23:10:59] we've got 4 days [23:11:04] 1 day team-building stuff [23:11:14] the rest split roughly 50/50, I think, between structured and open [23:15:58] sounds good