[16:05:42] meeple27: is your draft of the Annual plan retro overview accessible still? I looked in your userspace and didn't see anythign [16:07:41] it's on office...checking [17:05:24] awjr: unless you want a biffer before we start... [17:31:30] awjr: I think it's safe to come back to da club [18:02:05] kristenlans: computer problems and running late [18:02:16] np jaufrecht [18:02:27] did my status report go through? [18:02:35] about to reboot and go squat in a room with AV [18:12:52] nataliaharateh: I'm free if you are [18:13:43] sure, hangout maxbinder? [18:13:54] yep, ring me when you're ready [18:14:12] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: Evaluate efforts with design engagement for Q1 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140938#2481574 (10Awjrichards) Light engagement survey has been sent (22-09-2016) to design-related people going through statement of purpose process. [18:19:35] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Support definition of refined annual planning process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138246#2668226 (10Awjrichards) [18:19:37] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668227 (10Awjrichards) [18:19:39] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning: Facilitate annual planning retrospective focus groups - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138244#2668224 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03declined Declining this task - unclear whether or not focus groups will happen and ev... [18:20:03] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2394543 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03declined Declining this task - unclear whether or not focus groups will happen and even if they do, if... [18:20:24] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668232 (10Awjrichards) 05declined>03Open Oops, declined wrong task! [18:20:34] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668238 (10Awjrichards) [18:20:38] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning: Facilitate annual planning retrospective focus groups - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138244#2668237 (10Awjrichards) [18:20:40] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning: Prepare for annual planning retrospective focus groups - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138243#2668235 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03declined Declining this task - unclear whether or not focus groups will happen and even if they do, if TPG should... [18:21:58] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2394543 (10Awjrichards) @ksmith @KLans_WMF I was about to close this epic per our conversation this morning, but it occurred to me we shoul... [18:23:39] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668246 (10ksmith) @Awjrichards : I agree. Let's have the continuation in place before closing this one out. [18:23:56] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: [Epic] Get feedback from design stakeholders at WMF on first draft of 'statement of purpose of design at the WMF' - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139996#2668249 (10Awjrichards) [18:23:58] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: Share refined statement of purpose with immediate internal stakeholders for final comments - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144970#2668247 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03declined Unclear if this will be the appropriate ac... [18:25:31] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain, 07Epic: [EPIC] Identify and address a common pain point across teams we interact with. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139630#2668255 (10Awjrichards) [18:25:33] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain, 07Epic: [EPIC] Provide support to people in design-related roles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137479#2668256 (10Awjrichards) [18:25:35] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: [Epic] Get feedback from design stakeholders at WMF on first draft of 'statement of purpose of design at the WMF' - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139996#2449328 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03Invalid Closing this epic in... [18:25:59] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain, 07Epic: [EPIC] Provide support to people in design-related roles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137479#2369422 (10Awjrichards) [18:26:01] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: Publish 'statement of purpose of design at the WMF' publicly - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139999#2668262 (10Awjrichards) [18:26:03] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: [Epic] Validate statment of purpose of design with all WMF and Wikimedia community - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139998#2668260 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03Invalid Closing this epic in favor of its parent-epic. [18:27:34] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain, 07Epic: [EPIC] Identify and address a common pain point across teams we interact with. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139630#2668266 (10Awjrichards) Closing this epic in favor of it's quarterly goal tag as well as the broader parent-epic T137479 [18:27:41] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain, 07Epic: [EPIC] Identify and address a common pain point across teams we interact with. - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139630#2668268 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03Invalid [18:31:16] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2668288 (10Awjrichards) [18:31:53] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668290 (10Awjrichards) 05Open>03Resolved @ksmith actually it looks like we've already accommodated this contingency with T131305 :) Ma... [18:32:17] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668295 (10Awjrichards) [18:34:30] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2668314 (10Awjrichards) [18:34:34] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2668315 (10Awjrichards) [18:35:12] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Improve-Annual-Planning, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Annual Planning retrospective activities - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138241#2394543 (10Awjrichards) 05Resolved>03Open @ksmith just kidding, that other task is about quarterly review/planning not ANNUAL. reopeni... [18:56:25] * meeple27 wonders if awjr would hate phab checkboxes 66% less if he stopped typing the extra spaces on either side of the X [18:57:10] meeple27: i dont think i added spaces around the X, did i? [18:57:28] awjr: it looked like it in the email representation [18:57:35] oh funny [18:57:43] in the description itself there are no spaces [18:57:59] it just bugs me that they're not REALLY checkboxes [18:58:05] or rather, they're not boxes you can actually check. [18:59:46] i have confirmed that the extra spaces were merely an artifact of the email presentation. consider my suggestion for removing hatred to be withdrawn [19:00:10] I used to hate them when I couldn't tell if they were checked or unchecked, but now that they strike through, I like them... [19:00:27] but I do fear overusing them, so try to only use them when it really makes sense [19:01:48] they have value for sure. but the value-to-annoyance ratio would be vastly improved if you could just click on a checkbox and make it be checked (like in every other webapp in the universe) [19:02:26] ok im done whining about phabricator for now, at least until our work review meeting :p [19:03:29] whining about phab is always in style [19:07:09] hehehe it's true. [19:50:16] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: Email announcement to WMF and broader community about upcoming validation of design statement of purpose process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144972#2668511 (10Awjrichards) @Keegan I think the description of this ta... [19:50:56] 06Team-Practices, 06Community-Liaisons, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 10TPG-FY2016–17-Q1-Identify-Common-Pain: Email announcement to WMF and broader community about upcoming validation of design statement of purpose process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144972#2668513 (10Awjrichards) [20:11:06] awjr I believe the feedback spreadsheet linked from here still wants your take on the prod/tech onsite [20:11:07] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145457 [20:11:51] You can just copy what I wrote 😂 [20:16:52] awjr was so eager to check the checkbox that he left the job it referred to half done! :P [20:25:02] DOH [20:25:26] i couldn't figure out how to only half-check the checkbox. [20:34:39] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2668662 (10KLans_WMF) [20:34:44] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2162386 (10KLans_WMF) [20:34:46] meeple27: ok now it's done for realz [20:34:54] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2162386 (10KLans_WMF) [20:34:58] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support Quarterly Planning and Review Improvements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131305#2162386 (10KLans_WMF) [20:35:38] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-FY2016-17-Q1-Roll-Out-Engagement-Survey, 07Epic: [EPIC] Roll out Light Engagement survey - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139549#2668670 (10ksmith) [20:35:48] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [Epic] Cross-organizational change management - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137579#2668673 (10JAufrecht) [20:37:08] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Document proposal for "org change facilitator" role - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146695#2668674 (10JAufrecht) [20:38:31] 06Team-Practices: Update Team Health Check documentation on mediawiki.org to reflect Rethink - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146696#2668690 (10KLans_WMF) [20:38:33] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support CR onsite on 2016-09-13 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143609#2668704 (10ggellerman) [20:39:10] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] Determine Phate of Phlogiston - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132365#2668706 (10Awjrichards) [20:39:43] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] Administer and process Team Practices Customer Satisfaction survey for FY 2016-17 Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T142146#2668708 (10KLans_WMF) [20:44:30] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: prepare and deliver SAFe presentation to TPG - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141050#2668731 (10ggellerman) [20:46:14] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support CR onsite on 2016-09-13 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143609#2668737 (10JAufrecht) [20:51:31] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 15User-JAufrecht: Figure out how to incorporate Phabricator into the Editing/DR Meeting - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145595#2668781 (10JAufrecht) [20:52:55] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] Support CR onsite on 2016-09-13 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143609#2668790 (10ggellerman) 05Open>03Resolved [20:55:06] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG Strategy: Improved Status Quo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131099#2668812 (10ggellerman) 05Open>03Resolved [20:55:42] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG Strategy: Improved Status Quo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131099#2155981 (10ggellerman) Much Light Engagement activity in FY1617 Q1...calling this done :) [21:03:42] awjr: should i be freaking out that nobody else is in this validation meeting yet? [21:04:12] :-/ [21:04:29] meeple27: that seems weird [21:04:32] sure you're in the right hangout? [21:04:40] double-checked, and quit and rejoined [21:04:44] still all alone [21:04:45] sherah and nirzar at the very least should be there... [21:04:52] you'd think [21:04:54] maybe try pinging some folks on gtalk or irc if you have their nick? [21:05:54] nvr mind...it's an adam b meeting, so official start 2:05 :/ [21:07:02] @_@ [21:54:57] meeple27: did everything wind up working out OK? [21:57:31] awjr: yup, 1 no-show but otherwise a good productive discussion [21:58:43] meeple27: great thanks - who was the noshow? [21:59:00] * meeple27 refuses to shame someone in public :P [21:59:08] lol how bout in private? [21:59:21] i may put together a make-up session since we've had a few [23:31:41] maxbinder: I respectfully disagree with a couple of your latest onboarding doc edits [23:32:05] meeple27: ok I'm listening [23:32:12] I think all TPGers should be #triagers, regardless of whether they have a team. It's useful to be able to do for TPG boards, or while shadowing [23:32:17] (to help share the load) [23:32:40] and I would argue the same for #project-creators [23:32:48] meeple27: I didn't think of the TPG board, but I like that. My reasoning was access is only granted when circumstances apply. [23:32:56] (which is a guess on my part) [23:33:05] I agree that neither is high priority if you don't have a team, but neither should block on that state either [23:33:06] I didn't want to stir the pot without knowing if it would work [23:33:14] stir the pot! poke the bear! [23:33:30] meeple27: OK. Would you like to update the page, or suggest changes to me/ [23:33:43] i'm pretty sure that triagers is uncontroversial, and we seem to be shifting toward more liberal project creation too [23:34:17] I would just delete those 2 sub-bullets, but if you want to replace them with weasel text about how they're not needed yet but wouldn't hurt, that would be fine [23:34:47] TPG Weasels [23:35:36] my main argument for triagers is: If you don't add it when onboarding, then someday you'll need the feature, and you'll never remember what the name of the group is that controls it (since the group name bears no relation to the feature it grants) [23:42:29] maxbinder: so will you tweak it or do you want me to? [23:42:46] meeple27: I did it [23:43:06] i see now. cool. thanks. [23:43:36] meeple27: FYI, I am a member of acl*phabricator, so I can grant access and have superpowers generally, but it was for special circumstances that I got that access and I'm going to check with Phabmins about what I'm actually allowed to do, etc [23:43:59] ooh. power. [23:49:19] meeple27: bask