[10:38:46] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hi
[10:38:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	 In relation to something
[10:39:02] <ShakespeareFan00>	 A query
[10:39:38] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Is it possible for template code or a transcluded page to access anything about the DOM of the page it's being included in?
[10:40:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	 (The use case would be a template that flow/phrasing aware and modifies itself based on context)
[10:40:37] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I can think of numerous reasons why this SHOULD not be possible though. XD
[16:10:23] <mbh>	 Hi. Some IP-user post a message on ruwiki forum, that he is a registered user, who lost password and mail. I connected to him on Skype, skype user confirm this messae. Can MediaWiki developers reset his password? Checkuser verification is needed?
[16:10:57] <Dysklyver>	 has he not got an email address on his account?
[16:16:13] <mbh>	 I don't understand your question. He says, he changes mail to random generated due to privacy paranoia, and later lost browser history due to experiments with disc encrypting on Linux. He says, he remembers mail password, but not mail address
[16:20:13] <Dysklyver>	 ok
[16:20:39] <mbh>	 Saramag - this is he
[16:22:05] <mbh>	 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/Saramag this is his account
[16:23:12] <Saramag>	 Hello! I have an eToken from my account.
[16:24:04] <AntiComposite>	 I don't know if there are any devs around at the moment that can help you, please wait and also remember that this channel is publicly logged.
[16:24:25] <Saramag>	 Ok
[16:25:18] <Dysklyver>	 ok this is easy (i think)
[16:25:26] <Dysklyver>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reset_password gives instruction
[16:25:45] <Dysklyver>	 go to https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8F
[16:25:59] <Dysklyver>	 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset but for ru-wiki)
[16:26:23] <Dysklyver>	 and enter your username, leave your email blank
[16:27:16] <Dysklyver>	 then post a request on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ for your email address to be recovered
[16:27:43] <Dysklyver>	 you will need to identify to a dev for this process
[16:28:32] <Dysklyver>	 I am not a dev, and I cannot garantee this is possbile or that it will work, but in a normal mediawiki build the devs can find your email address
[16:29:29] <Dysklyver>	 since you have the email password, you can then complete the process by logging into your email and resetting the password
[16:40:32] <Saramag>	 Thanks for your attention!
[17:40:02] <mbh>	 Saramag has found his mail
[20:33:35] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I am about to get very annoyed - https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3ARuffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large%2C_1763.djvu%2F77&type=revision&diff=7206639&oldid=7206637
[20:34:35] <ShakespeareFan00>	 About the only significant technial difference I can find between the two versions is a highly specific manner in which whitespace and line-feeds are handled
[20:35:19] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I honestly fail to see how changing the whitespace, can be the difference between a working and non-working page
[20:36:01] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Also its completely unreasonable to expect contributors to know the minuitiae and interaction of peandict whitspace semantics
[20:36:15] <ShakespeareFan00>	 *pedeantic
[20:46:37] <Dysklyver>	 most programming langauges are sensitive to whitespace and indents
[20:52:50] <ShakespeareFan00>	 It doesn't help that LintErrors report just says not from a single template
[20:52:52] <ShakespeareFan00>	 :(
[20:53:17] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I need to know EXACTLY where in the markup the f&^%erd up handling is
[20:53:48] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Dysklyver: If mediawiki worked properly there would be ONE way of doing line feeds
[20:54:03] <Dysklyver>	 na
[20:54:10] <ShakespeareFan00>	 which SHOULD be marked explicitly
[20:54:24] <Dysklyver>	 the line feeds behave diffrently depending on which element they are in
[20:54:28] <ShakespeareFan00>	 because trying to "guess" the whitespace semantic is time consuming
[20:54:47] <ShakespeareFan00>	 ONE method please or I'm going to start widespread deletion of my efforts
[20:55:23] <ShakespeareFan00>	 I've had it with playing guess the whitespace rule
[20:55:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Goodbye
[20:55:28] <Dysklyver>	 it's a computer program, there is an absolute logic to it, but this being mediawiki, no one has made ay instructions
[20:55:29] * ShakespeareFan00 out
[21:43:26] <qq[IrcCity]>	 Dysklyver, MediaWiki runs over PHP, whereas PHP is a huge heap of manure.
[21:44:38] <Dysklyver>	 I never even bothered with learning PHP, I know the bare minimum to use LocalSetting.php and basic page stuff :
[21:45:22] <qq[IrcCity]>	 Dysklyver, your site is likely not performance-critical.
[21:45:55] <qq[IrcCity]>	 introduction of Lua could be an improvement…  but Scribunto passes the output string to the same PHP stuff.
[21:46:16] <Dysklyver>	 meh, it would help if more than 100 people could use it at once without it turning into a slow-mo movie
[21:46:32] <Dysklyver>	 I hear good things about node.js
[21:46:44] <Dysklyver>	 but I can't say if it is better
[21:47:27] <qq[IrcCity]>	 AFAIK node.js saves on HTTP(s) level, not server performance.
[21:47:49] <qq[IrcCity]>	 fewer queries, less traffic.
[21:48:17] <qq[IrcCity]>	 but it creates some computational overhead for the server.
[21:48:27] <Dysklyver>	 I see
[21:49:10] <Dysklyver>	 there blurb says stuff about asynchronous processes but ihni if that helps