[11:52:15] Where do I file complains about mistakenly banned usernames for this channel? ^^ [11:52:59] ( mark / Sigyn if possible please un-ban Andrew-WMDE ) [12:00:53] the username is currently not banned [12:03:52] CFisch_remote: can you confirm the username -NickServ- User seen : Jun 20 03:49:22 2018 (6w 0d 8h ago) [12:04:21] hmmm [12:04:44] He says [12:04:46] "You can’t change your nick to Andrew-WMDE while banned on #wikimedia-tech" [12:05:15] and he gets "#wikimedia-tech: Cannot send to channel" [12:05:32] maybe Andrew-WMDE-NA is banned? [12:07:07] p858snake|L: I am identified now [12:07:43] Andrew-WMDE-NA: leave the channel, ID with Nickserv and rejoin [12:07:55] is it network ban? [12:08:09] network ban by sigyn should be fixed by freenode staff [12:08:17] oh that... [12:08:24] yeah leave channel, id, rejoin [12:08:27] is always the fix [12:08:27] it's not the username [12:08:39] nope, unid'ed users are banned in the global channel [12:08:45] we have +r on -vans [12:08:47] bans* [12:08:48] due to recent spam issues [12:08:54] thanks to our lovely spammers [12:08:59] really lovely [12:10:20] I forwarded your input thanks for the help [12:13:42] Its recommended to have irccloud (or any IRC client) to identify with NickServ via SASL when you connect [12:14:14] Thanks all! [14:00:39] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [14:50:49] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @CFisch_WMDE & @chiborg - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [16:50:47] I am running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 2.8.0.0 [libirc v. 1.0.3] my source code is licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot I will be very happy if you fix my bugs or implement new features [16:50:47] @help [22:00:54] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [22:08:17] :> [22:33:56] T-minus 27 minutes to my first time hosting a Technical Advice IRC meeting :) 🐐 [22:36:32] And mine <3 [22:46:26] \o/ [22:50:20] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @bd808 & @mooeypoo - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [22:59:11] * brion drumroll [23:00:08] And we're live! [23:00:18] * AntiComposite plays a trumpet [23:00:19] Welcome to the Technical Advice IRC Meeting, everyone [23:00:29] :) [23:00:34] We <3 🐐s [23:00:40] Hi jem [23:00:47] Hi everyone [23:00:55] We're here for questions and topics you want to discuss. For general info see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [23:00:57] hey jem [23:01:40] So jem pre-announced a question about "Multilanguage SVG using vs Multiple SVGs with translations." [23:02:03] jem: can you give us more info about what you are hoping we can help you figure out? [23:02:09] Sure [23:02:36] Basically I want to know if there are reasons or arguments to endorse one option over the other [23:03:05] Or to think that we will "migrating" all the svgs to one of the options [23:03:16] jem: so this might be related -- there's a project in the 2017 community wishlist that is talking about SVG-Translate https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate [23:03:33] a single base file is conceptually nice, especially if the base image may take on future edits, but it complicates editing a bit :) [23:03:40] jem: the Community Tech team is now in the middle of analyzing this request and assessing what can be done. Is this related? can this help what you want to achieve? [23:04:03] Maybe [23:04:14] oh look brion is here! I was going to say that he and bawolff are probably the people I would turn to about SVG magic [23:04:19] :D [23:04:41] i'm not sure the current state of the translation tools offhand though [23:04:47] The point is that another user in eswiki village pump says that multilanguage svgs are a bad idea [23:05:10] And I think the opposite, but I want to have "higher" opinions :) [23:05:17] :D [23:06:00] i think it depends on the available tooling mostly; what's good for people to use is what wins in practice [23:06:24] Ok [23:06:24] making separate files is _easier_ practically, if there's not a good enough editing tool [23:06:35] that handles the multiple translations together [23:07:08] but i think you do lose the advantage of having a common base image layer, if something gets updated in the original it's hard ti re-import it to all the copies [23:07:10] *to [23:07:23] That's the point [23:07:32] :D [23:08:17] So let's say we have a tool to make it easier: will Commons recommend to join all translations into multilanguage SVGs? [23:08:22] given the tradeoffs i'd tend to prefer the multilingual svg myself :) [23:09:19] (Or to make new uploads as multilanguage SVGs) [23:10:20] sounds like a community question for commons :) [23:11:07] Ok then :) [23:11:26] i'm not sure of the current guidelines offhand [23:11:37] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Translation_possible/Learn_more [23:12:00] There is this page, which just explains both options [23:12:12] But with no recommendation [23:12:17] *nod* [23:12:35] probably start with a note on the talk page suggesting making such a recommendation, then see who pokes back ;) [23:12:50] i think there's an rfc proposal system in commons land as well, but this is getting away from my expertise :) [23:12:50] Also, I'd look at this page anyways: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Multimedia_and_Commons/SVG-Translate [23:13:12] It looks like the request/discussion about translateable SVGs is there too with some (quite a bunch) of community input [23:14:54] Ok, for the moment I'm just interested in the village pump answer [23:15:15] But I'll try to comment in Commons and see [23:15:59] cool [23:16:01] And I'm interested in any possible tool, I may even help with that work [23:16:12] But in the long term, my task list is long :) [23:16:20] that's familiar :) [23:16:21] yay :) [23:16:31] :) [23:16:47] coolbeans. Are there any more topics we can help with? Anyone who needs a question answered or assistance? [23:16:50] Anyone else here to ask questions that I can hand off to brion? ;) [23:17:02] :D [23:17:21] (I have another last-minute question but I'll wait for others) :) [23:17:43] Go aheads and ask jem! [23:17:47] *ahead [23:17:53] :) [23:17:56] Ok then [23:18:30] I've found a MediaWiki message untranslated and I'm confused about how to translate it in translatewiki [23:18:49] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=stable&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&uselang=qqx [23:18:52] For example [23:19:12] It's the (date) part, for all the logs [23:19:14] Which message is untranslated? [23:20:29] Are you talking about the (august) message? [23:20:36] I can't immediately see which isn't translated in that full page [23:20:38] Appears as "From date (and earlier)" [23:20:58] And the qqx trick says its name is "date" [23:21:02] is this the technical advice mth? [23:21:06] mtg?* [23:21:42] But https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date doesn't exist [23:22:08] it's https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Date/en [23:22:36] awesome, thanks Matiia [23:22:39] foks: yep! [23:22:49] Oops [23:22:54] I do agree this message is pretty confusing as just "date" for the key [23:23:01] foks: yes it is, welcome [23:23:04] brion, ah - there are people trying to get in but unregistered users are presently banned because of spambots [23:23:29] Yes, I was also a bit confused with the name, but I should have checked more [23:23:29] :\ [23:23:35] Gracias, Matiia :) [23:23:39] :( [23:23:44] jem: no problems, it *is* confusing! [23:23:49] lemme try to fix [23:23:58] uhm... I'm not sure if we can do anything about the ban on IRC... is it temporary? [23:24:23] folks: oh that's lame. I think the shared channel settings were set to +r today because of the spammer jerks [23:25:08] perfect :) [23:25:14] w00t [23:25:45] will hang with the wmfgc for a sec in case spam starts [23:25:48] continue! sorry to intrude. [23:26:01] thanks foks! [23:26:03] thanks for that foks ! [23:26:17] You got it! [23:26:32] (will alt-tab, pls ping direct if spam resumes) [23:29:23] Ok, thanks for your help and now I go afk to sleep, see you in next TAIMs :) [23:29:37] see ya, jem, thanks for coming! [23:29:46] hm, unreg'd can't talk here [23:31:20] YairRand__, try now? [23:31:23] test [23:31:26] there we go [23:31:29] hi YairRand__ [23:31:29] yay :) [23:31:32] Ah! hi YairRand__ [23:31:33] Sorry :( [23:31:46] thank you very much foks [23:31:49] np! [23:31:54] so anyway [23:32:00] I'm looking for design-related advice/suggestions regarding a userscript I'm working on ([[User:Yair rand/HistoryView.js]] on ENWP). anyone who could help with that? [23:32:14] ooh [23:32:57] (short screencast of use here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YairRandHistoryView.ogv ) [23:34:04] oh that's neat. Reminds me a bit of revision slider [23:34:29] YairRand__: hm, design input are a good question. I'm trying to think if there's a specific person you could contact, or if there's a team or group available [23:36:44] honestly, YairRand__ my recommendation is to send it on wikitech-l and ask for design input. [23:38:04] there is also https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design [23:38:49] huh, I didn't know there was a design mailing list. do people regularly ask for advice/suggestions there? [23:39:13] it looks like its been pretty quiet for the last few months [23:40:20] (checks archives) hmm... [23:46:59] Any oter questions or topics we can help with, in the last 14 minutes? [23:47:13] 13 now, that sentence took a while to type apparently [23:47:24] * bd808 looks around for raised hands [23:52:57] (crickets) [23:53:11] * brion remixes crickets into applause [23:54:05] all cricket chirps are pretty much applauses [23:54:11] :) [23:54:16] good point! [23:54:47] πŸ¦—πŸŽ»πŸ‘ [23:59:48] 15 seconds.