[00:00:04] <Sven_Manguard>	 I have 5 oppose and 14 support
[00:00:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 ok, now we begin!
[00:00:18] <Jasper_Deng>	 Sven_Manguard: you mean /he/ did
[00:00:19] <rschen7754>	 sitenotice updated
[00:00:42] <Riley>	 One moment..
[00:00:49] <Sven_Manguard>	 Jasper_Deng: gloating over someone else's misfortune is in poor taste
[00:01:10] <Jasper_Deng>	 Sven_Manguard: you know what, let's get rid of the % system
[00:01:24] <Sven_Manguard>	 too late
[00:01:46] <Jasper_Deng>	 in the future
[00:01:51] <Jasper_Deng>	 after the reconfirmations
[00:02:02] <Riley>	 Who the heck edit conflicted me?!?
[00:02:07] <Jasper_Deng>	 Sven did
[00:02:12] <Riley>	 Sven_Manguard: ....
[00:02:19] * Jasper_Deng  finds Sven_Manguard 's closing there as bad taste since he voted

[00:02:46] <Sven_Manguard>	 Jasper_Deng: I'm not closing any of the ones where my vote has a statistical impact
[00:03:05] <Riley>	 Thats not how it works..
[00:03:32] <rschen7754>	 i'd agree that closers should not be involved, but did sven vote on the bottom one?
[00:03:40] <Romaine>	 it is better to let the procedure be closed bo others than the users in question in this confirmation
[00:03:42] <Jasper_Deng>	 Riley: save his skin and take responsibility for that close (of Romaine's)
[00:03:48] <Ajraddatz>	 It doesn't matter if you are involved. There is no conflict of interest in calculating a percentage.
[00:04:07] <Riley>	 Jasper_Deng:On it
[00:04:19] <Ajraddatz>	 Anyone can do it. A calculator can do it. There is currently no mandate for admins to be closing these while balancing the arguments on each side or anything, so who cares.
[00:04:23] <rschen7754>	 so guerillero was not reconfirmed?
[00:04:28] <Romaine>	 we also should try to prevent the 	
[00:04:28] <Romaine>	 pretense
[00:04:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 unfortunately not
[00:04:38] <Ajraddatz>	 He shouldn't be. He hasn't met the 75% requirement.
[00:04:38] <Jasper_Deng>	 Romaine: elaborate
[00:04:48] <Romaine>	 or whatever it is called in Eglish
[00:04:50] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: now comes the downside of 75%
[00:04:51] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: the point is to stay completely above board
[00:05:09] <Ajraddatz>	 What is that supposed to mean?
[00:05:38] <rschen7754>	 it's best to not close something so you can't be accused of impropriety
[00:05:46] <rschen7754>	 something that you've voted in
[00:05:51] <Jasper_Deng>	 People will oppose you for that Sven
[00:06:02] <techman224>	 It looks like Im the only one who hasn't voted
[00:06:07] <Ajraddatz>	 How can you possibly be accused of impropriety by adding up the supports and then dividing them from the total of supports + opposes?
[00:06:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 techman224: you did vote
[00:06:26] <techman224>	 not on Guerillero
[00:06:27] <Ajraddatz>	 A neutral closer should be required in a discussion, but in a vote like this, to care is just excessive bureaucracy.
[00:06:37] <Sven_Manguard>	 Goddanmed interntet connection
[00:06:47] <Sven_Manguard>	 wha'd I miss?
[00:06:48] <Ajraddatz>	 Something which I would much prefer to not follow over from enwiki.
[00:07:02] <Sven_Manguard>	 Last thing I said was "and I'm closing one of them ''against'' what I wanted"
[00:07:38] <Jasper_Deng>	 Sven_Manguard: we didn't receive that
[00:07:41] <Ajraddatz>	 9.9
[00:07:51] <Sven_Manguard>	 sigh
[00:08:05] <Sven_Manguard>	 did you get "Jasper_Deng: I'm not closing any of the ones where my vote has a statistical impact"
[00:08:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 We did
[00:08:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 but nothing after that
[00:09:15] <Romaine>	 Ajraddatz: if you think it is excessive bureaucracy, certainly please let this be done by someone else
[00:09:29] <techman224>	 how about a bureaucrat discussion
[00:09:32] <Ajraddatz>	 I am. And how does that solve anything?
[00:09:35] <Jasper_Deng>	 techman224: we don't have any
[00:09:51] <techman224>	 like what happens on en wiki when the percentage is very close
[00:10:01] <fabriceferrer>	 Ubuesque
[00:10:28] <Romaine>	 if you do not understand what COI is related to this matter, study that first instead of thinking of which problem would solve it
[00:10:43] <Ajraddatz>	 lol
[00:10:48] <Ajraddatz>	 I understand what a COI is.
[00:11:01] <Romaine>	 I my opinion not enough
[00:11:07] <Ajraddatz>	 I'm just saying that even if one did exist in this situation, it doesn't matter.
[00:11:15] <Jasper_Deng>	 hey Ajraddatz do you mind if I make a minor formatting change to the closed circuit?
[00:11:20] <Ajraddatz>	 Go for it.
[00:11:21] * Jasper_Deng  wants to remove boldening + add italics

[00:11:56] <rschen7754>	 any reason why the current circuit's not active?
[00:12:08] <Jasper_Deng>	 #2?
[00:12:12] <rschen7754>	 yup
[00:12:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 that'll be addressed in a bit
[00:12:26] <Ajraddatz>	 anyone can move it up, probably
[00:13:14] <rschen7754>	 ok, got it activated
[00:13:20] <Ajraddatz>	 thanks
[00:13:49] <rschen7754>	 go vote!
[00:14:41] <Ajraddatz>	 So, about the COI, if I closed Guer's vote when it was 75%, I would have closed it as passed. Why? Because the voting requirements are crystal clear. 8s/75%.
[00:15:02] <Ajraddatz>	 Even though I don't want him confirmed, because I don't want adminship here to just be a trophy.
[00:15:16] <Ajraddatz>	 Because it's just counting numbers. Even monkeys can do it.
[00:15:18] <Jasper_Deng>	 Well I have a different view of closing it against your wishes
[00:15:31] <Ajraddatz>	 What if I supported him, and closed it as done at 75%?
[00:15:33] <Ajraddatz>	 What would change?
[00:15:49] <Jasper_Deng>	 you'd have far less of a COI
[00:15:55] <Ajraddatz>	 ...how
[00:16:03] <techman224>	 How about extending the temporary adminship
[00:16:04] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: the way i see it, there's no shortage of uninvolved admins to close it, so why add the extra scrutiny to yourself?
[00:16:14] <techman224>	 Give him another three months
[00:16:19] <Ajraddatz>	 I don't understand why there is any scrutiny involved.
[00:16:34] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: but others do, so...
[00:16:34] <Ajraddatz>	 What kind of idiot would scrutinize an involved person doing simple maths?
[00:16:53] <Ajraddatz>	 Any decision can be justified by the (again) crystal clear guidelines for the requests.
[00:17:38] <Ajraddatz>	 Also, no matter what you might think, uninvolved is not possible. Part of human nature is to form opinions on everything that we hear and see.
[00:18:08] <Ajraddatz>	 That's why we give things like votes (in the real world anyways) such clear requirements. 50+1 usually.
[00:18:11] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: i honestly disagree
[00:18:19] <Ajraddatz>	 Because then, even when people hate it, it doesn't matter.
[00:18:39] <Ajraddatz>	 I really don't understand how or why. I must have spent too little time in enwiki or something. Do you have any other way of explaining it?
[00:18:40] <rschen7754>	 there's plenty of things on enwiki where my opinion is "i don't care if the dashes are long or short, quit arguing over it"
[00:18:50] <Ajraddatz>	 That's an opinion.
[00:19:07] <rschen7754>	 but it's not leaning one way or the other, which is what is important
[00:19:22] <Ajraddatz>	 But specifically, according the the science of psychology, you do form an opinion one way or the other.
[00:19:51] <rschen7754>	 well that's wrong… i haven't even bothered to look up what's "proper
[00:19:56] <rschen7754>	 in terms of hyphens
[00:19:59] <rschen7754>	 and i have no desire to
[00:21:13] <Ajraddatz>	 Beyond the fact that there's a difference between hyphens and the much more political voting on candidates process, if you read the entire discussion before closing it, you /would/ gain an opinion one way or the other - it would probably be based off of irrelevent things, too.
[00:21:41] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: i think we're going to have to disagree here
[00:21:44] <Ajraddatz>	 Things like which side had more people that you trust, or which side used English that read nicer in your opinion.
[00:22:19] <rschen7754>	 but the fundamental thing is that even though you don't think closers need to be uninvolved, some people do
[00:22:33] <Ajraddatz>	 Then some people are stupid, to put it plainly.
[00:22:34] <Ajraddatz>	 Whatever.
[00:23:43] <Riley>	 Er voting is already open?
[00:24:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 yeah
[00:24:02] <Riley>	 Wasn't there a day long period in between?
[00:24:14] <Ajraddatz>	 not the original intention
[00:24:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 no
[00:24:23] <Ajraddatz>	 should be five days open for each circuit
[00:24:38] <Riley>	 Oh, nevermind that was what we were thinking yesterday. Sorry
[00:24:41] <Jasper_Deng>	 which it was
[00:25:45] <Ajraddatz>	 rschen7754, sorry if it seems like I'm a very good wall, just saying the same things over and over again. (it feels conversly the same way for me, so I assume you're feeling that too). I had hoped that this system would be relatively painless and easy for everyone, then I got on IRC and witnessed this discussion.
[00:26:29] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: i understand, we'll definitely have to figure out how to do this better next time
[00:26:35] <Riley>	 Yes..
[00:26:57] <Ajraddatz>	 You are, of course, correct. There is no absense of uninvolved people which could close these things, and to save the people who have heart attacts over COI the uninvolved should be closing it.
[00:27:34] <Ajraddatz>	 It just pisses me off (among other things going on here) that it's even an issue, since I tried to get as clear guidelines as possible specifically to avoid it.
[00:27:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 IAR people would say
[00:28:14] <rschen7754>	 Ajraddatz: this is nothing compared to enwiki :P
[00:28:20] <Ajraddatz>	 heh, true
[00:28:46] <rschen7754>	 even enwikivoyage is pretty messy… lots of old wikitravel policies we're fighting
[00:29:06] <Jasper_Deng>	 well it's not that easy to blame them b/c they're too used to their way
[00:29:12] <Jasper_Deng>	 and they need to learn the WMF way
[00:29:31] <Riley>	 rschen7754: enwikivoyage is messy? I haven't seen many problems with it
[00:29:43] <Riley>	 Well policy problems
[00:29:54] <rschen7754>	 Riley: mainly the vandal stuff… it's getting better though
[00:30:03] <Riley>	 Oh okay
[00:31:03] <rschen7754>	 like commons and meta, we're coming from different wiki experiences, so we'll have to work through some things
[00:31:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: btw have you made previsions for those after Moe Epsilon?
[00:31:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 provision*
[00:31:39] <Ajraddatz>	 not yet
[00:31:43] <techman224>	 I'll start a discussion about this
[00:31:45] <techman224>	 on wiki
[00:31:52] <Ajraddatz>	 was going to do that closer to when they would be confirmed
[00:32:06] <Ajraddatz>	 I assume they'll go on the same page, per KISS
[00:32:14] <rschen7754>	 techman224: i've already started a discussion like 3 times
[00:32:24] <techman224>	 rschen7754, on wiki?
[00:32:27] <rschen7754>	 yup
[00:32:41] <rschen7754>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Administrators/Confirm_2013#2013_admins was the last one
[00:32:48] <rschen7754>	 but i think i've mentioned it somewhere else
[00:33:32] <techman224>	 rschen7754, nothing on Guerillero there 
[00:33:58] <rschen7754>	 techman224: no, i'm talking about the admins after moe epsilon
[00:35:17] <Ajraddatz>	 techman224, what needs discussion exactly?
[00:35:35] <techman224>	 Ajraddatz, Guerillero's confirmation
[00:35:46] <Jasper_Deng>	 that's not controversial anymore
[00:35:54] <Ajraddatz>	 What is there to discuss? We agreed on 8 support votes and 75%, and he does not meet that requirement.
[00:36:12] <Ajraddatz>	 No need to hold another vote on it.
[00:49:38] <Jasper_Deng>	 ugh, too long
[00:50:47] <Jasper_Deng>	 Ajraddatz: I think we can delete the Meta links
[00:52:12] <Ajraddatz>	 maybe
[00:52:25] <Jasper_Deng>	 esp. the last one
[00:53:12] <Jasper_Deng>	 yeah it's just a soft redirect
[01:34:46] <Sven_Manguard>	 Right. I'm back and ready to play the "how long until my connection drops" waiting game
[01:35:20] <Jasper_Deng>	 Sven_Manguard: use an IRC bouncer or IRCCloud
[01:35:27] <Jasper_Deng>	 so you don't miss anything
[01:35:50] <Sven_Manguard>	 Meh, you're talking to someone who can't even be bothered to properly set up his logs
[01:37:32] <rschen7754>	 Jasper_Deng: where would you set up a bouncer though?
[01:37:49] <Jasper_Deng>	 rschen7754: there are some free/cheap shell providers
[01:38:08] <Sven_Manguard>	 That sounds like work
[01:40:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 if you don't want any, use IRCCloud
[01:42:08] <rschen7754>	 yeah, i just don
[01:42:21] <rschen7754>	 well, i just want to use my own client
[01:43:56] <rschen7754>	 i assume you're stuck with the browser using irccloud?
[01:44:31] <Jasper_Deng>	 rschen7754: yeah, which is why I use both
[01:47:09] <Sven_Manguard>	 ...aaaaaaaaaaaand my internet is choking again
[01:49:33] <rschen7754>	 i think next weekend i'll try and set up a bouncer…
[01:49:39] <rschen7754>	 might use irccloud in the meantime
[02:46:37] <Sven_Manguard>	 <mumbles about router>
[04:14:41] <duh>	 Jasper_Deng_away: the problem with a bouncer is if you d/c without sending QUIT to your bouncer, it thinks youre still connected till you timeout, and then lose a bunch of logs.
[08:11:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Change comments to avoid failures during test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46207
[08:12:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Minor change, self merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46207
[08:12:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46207
[09:23:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add property 'ConnectedItem' to ParserOutput" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46213
[09:27:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 43994) Add property 'ConnectedItem' to ParserOutput" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46213
[09:52:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "passes tests; I think aude should have a look at that too;" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 2 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46213
[10:36:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "minor cleanup and optimization in repo API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46222
[10:36:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Add new _postAndPromiseWithAbstraction() to repo API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46223
[10:36:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) repo API module for adding a reference" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46224
[10:37:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "missing dependency" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46224
[10:43:12] <Silke_WMDE>	 aude: How do I make runJobs.php run as a daemon?
[10:43:32] <aharoni>	 Hi Silke_WMDE!
[10:43:41] <aharoni>	 Is the Hebrew client on now?
[10:44:57] <Silke_WMDE>	 Hi aharoni, bad news - it's not. I'm on it today. I'll invite you to merge it on gerit, ok?
[10:45:14] <aharoni>	 OK, thanks.
[10:46:10] <aharoni>	 Lydia_WMDE, Denny_WMDE , aude - any news about the links editing workflow?
[10:46:41] <aude>	 aharoni: hooman is working on the widgets
[10:47:16] <aharoni>	 In addition to Lydia_WMDE's deployment announcement on the Hebrew Wikipedia village pump, I wrote some more practical and technical details, and as I expected that was the most frequently asked question about it.
[10:47:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aharoni: he demoed it last friday here in the office and it looked good already but needs some more polishing
[10:47:39] <aharoni>	 aude: will it be a gadget or a part of the extension?
[10:47:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aharoni: thanks!
[10:47:50] <aude>	 Silke_WMDE: define( 'WB_EXPERIMENTAL_FEATURES', 1 );
[10:47:53] <aude>	 oops
[10:48:19] <aude>	 Silke_WMDE: check my github for job runner scripts
[10:48:27] <aude>	 https://github.com/filbertkm/wikidata-tools
[10:48:56] <aude>	 aharoni: it will be part of the extension
[10:49:08] <aharoni>	 aude: great.
[10:49:34] <Silke_WMDE>	 aude: thx
[10:49:44] <aude>	 should be possible to try the widget on wednesday when we update the demo systems
[10:50:29] <aude>	 Silke_WMDE: then i set the dispatcher to run as a cronjob every minute
[10:53:13] * aude  thinks the dispatcher could eventually run like my run jobs thing as a daemon

[11:05:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "I'm undecided here - I don't quite understand when and why we need this, and I fear it will mislead ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44863
[11:10:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) introduction of wb.SnakList, a list containing a set of Snaks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46226
[11:10:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) repo API module for adding a reference" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46227
[11:22:25] <DanielK_WMDE>	 aude: or we could add support for delayed jobs to the job queue, then the dispatcher no longer needs its own process
[11:28:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "minor cleanup and optimization in repo API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46222
[11:29:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "minor cleanup and optimization in repo API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46222
[11:30:01] <Jaqen>	 can someone please delete http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3689670 ?
[11:30:20] <Jaqen>	 (see http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2583983&diff=5276199&oldid=3487726 )
[11:36:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46222
[11:37:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Add new _postAndPromiseWithAbstraction() to repo API" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46223
[11:37:52] <aude>	 DanielK_WMDE: maybe....
[11:38:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45342
[11:38:54] <aude>	 job queue daemon (like wmf) + cronjobs (every minute) are working okay now, though not sure about every five minutes as done now in production
[11:45:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46223
[11:45:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 43291) introduction of wb.SnakList, a list containing a set of Snaks" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46226
[11:50:03] * Jeblad_WMDE  is hungry

[11:52:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46226
[11:52:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 43291) repo API module for adding a reference" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46227
[11:54:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46227
[11:56:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45550
[12:02:09] <Silke_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE aude As almost everyone is at lunch, I'll take dev offline for a moment. Will be back soon.
[12:03:25] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 I think I'll run away for some food
[12:07:07] <aude>	 Silke_WMDE: k
[12:53:28] <Silke_WMDE>	 aude: OK, for the wrong link - I found a typo. m(
[13:02:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "> I fear it will mislead people when installing Wikibase." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/44863
[13:12:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "First of all, thanks a lot for doing this - this is one of the most requested features." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45114
[13:25:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(bug 43291) extend repoApi to support editing existing references" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46237
[14:29:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 someone please poke me when kolja shows up
[14:33:44] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Can I invite the community to start voting for bugs? =D Yes...? =D
[14:34:01] * Jeblad_WMDE  wonder how much chaos there would be..

[14:43:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(minor) using object instead of array for saving revisions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46246
[14:43:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: yay for more stats? :p
[14:44:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Jeblad_WMDE: they can already vote on bugz on bugzilla
[14:44:49] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Yes I know, and voting there creates a mess
[14:46:21] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE: yes :D
[14:46:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 eh
[14:46:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: ^
[14:46:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: let's not encourage voting if we don't take the vote into account
[14:46:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 bah
[14:46:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jeblad_WMDE:  ^
[14:46:55] * Lydia_WMDE  hits her tab-completion

[14:47:21] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: I know we are very similar,.. JeroenDeDauw almost have my haircut!
[14:51:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Jeblad_WMDE: troll harder :p
[14:51:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: ANARCHY!
[14:52:38] <Jeblad_WMDE>	 EAT THE PONIES!
[14:58:35] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=636446 edit summary: [+15] /* Requirements */ 
[15:00:36] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:Wikibase Client was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=636447 edit summary: [+15] /* Requirements */ 
[15:05:15] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Extension:WikibaseLib was modified, changed by Jeroen De Dauw link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=636449 edit summary: [+49] /* Requirements */ 
[15:50:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 DanielK_WMDE: think I have ended up creating a better alternative to DBAccessBase - only realized the similarity after creating it :p
[15:51:02] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: have you perhaps also createed Diff::newFromArray, to round trip with Diff::toArray()? Just asking, before I write it :P
[15:51:12] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: can I see your better alternative?
[15:54:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/45540
[16:09:34] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 DanielK_WMDE: I have not created Diff::newFromArray nor do I want that to be created
[16:09:40] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 DanielK_WMDE: use DiffOpFactory
[16:09:54] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw1: oven for ListDiff, etc?
[16:09:57] <DanielK_WMDE>	 *evedn
[16:09:59] <DanielK_WMDE>	 *even
[16:10:02] <DanielK_WMDE>	 gah
[16:10:11] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 DanielK_WMDE: ListDiff is deprecated
[16:10:51] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw1: I see that MapDiff is deprecated. ListDiff too?
[16:11:14] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 DanielK_WMDE: look at the docs ;p
[16:12:12] <DanielK_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw1: hm, ok.
[16:32:36] <Romaine>	 einer schones abend
[16:34:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hi Romaine!
[16:34:57] <Romaine>	 :)
[17:01:14] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 Lydia_WMDE: ok, o wise community manager :p
[17:01:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw1: :P
[17:02:08] <Denny_WMDE>	 Semantic MediaWiki is not a fork.
[17:02:18] <Denny_WMDE>	 or as they said in the Matrix:
[17:02:20] <Denny_WMDE>	 there is no fork
[17:03:21] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 Denny_WMDE: don't fork the matrix
[17:09:50] <Romaine>	 just fork Beatrix
[17:10:25] <Romaine>	 (the queen of the Netherlands will held a speach in what her resignation will be announced)
[17:13:43] <Silke_WMDE_>	 aharoni: Still there?
[17:13:51] <aharoni>	 here
[17:14:26] <Silke_WMDE_>	 The instance I made you is crap. :(
[17:15:33] <Silke_WMDE_>	 I didn't get another IP and I dont know how to deal with these instance proxy things, so I#m playing with ssh forwarding to reach it.
[17:16:16] <Silke_WMDE_>	 Also: The puppet recipes we now have are really English-centristic, they auto-import English test data
[17:17:14] <Silke_WMDE_>	 The problem is that I can't put much more time into this
[17:18:13] <Silke_WMDE_>	 Do you have labs shell access?
[17:18:32] <Silke_WMDE_>	 (and thus could you use a ssh forwarding solution?)
[17:28:58] <aharoni>	 Silke_WMDE_: I probably have labs shell access, although I haven't used in a long while.
[17:29:13] <Silke_WMDE_>	 ok
[17:29:16] <aharoni>	 And I know very little about ssh.
[17:29:52] <JeroenDeDauw1>	 Romaine: ah, you got to the core of our discussion :)
[17:31:03] <Silke_WMDE_>	 aharoni: ok, I have a better solution
[17:31:09] <Silke_WMDE_>	 wait
[18:04:26] <aude>	 Silke_WMDE_: we should be able to host multiple clients on an instance?
[18:04:38] <aude>	 no idea about the puppet stuff though
[18:04:56] <Silke_WMDE_>	 aude
[18:05:00] <Silke_WMDE_>	 no
[18:05:05] <aude>	 no?
[18:05:12] <aude>	 because of puppet?
[18:05:39] * aude  has a bazillion instances and other crap on my personal VM, with one ip

[18:05:43] <Silke_WMDE_>	 the way the puppet stuff is done, it will install one mediawiki per server only
[18:05:44] <aude>	 no puppet though
[18:05:48] <aude>	 ugh
[18:06:25] <Silke_WMDE_>	 i would have had to do it differently from the very beginning but only understood it in the middle of doing
[18:06:34] <aude>	 ah
[18:06:46] * aude  will someday learn more puppet

[18:07:15] <Reedy>	 Learn?
[18:07:17] <Reedy>	 Or tolerate?
[18:07:20] <aude>	 heh
[18:12:06] <Silke_WMDE_>	 Info to everyone: The English client is offline for ~2 days
[18:12:14] <Silke_WMDE_>	 WIll be back soon.
[18:12:29] <aude>	 ok :)
[18:13:19] <aude>	 this means we have a hebrew client? :)
[18:13:40] <Silke_WMDE_>	 yes, but I'll only get the DNS entry changed tomorrow.
[18:13:46] <aude>	 ah, ok
[18:13:49] <Silke_WMDE_>	 m)
[18:14:15] * Silke_WMDE_  is heading home

[18:14:27] <aude>	 have a good evening!
[19:29:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "Looks good on a first glance, but I know nothing about the templating thingy." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46031
[19:45:19] <Tpt_>	 Lyadia_WMDE: Hi! I've written in the project chat some questions I have about phase 2, can a member of your team answer to it, please? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Some_questions_about_phase_2
[19:46:17] <Tpt_>	 * Lydua_WMDE, sorry.
[19:46:36] <hoo>	 ...
[19:46:57] <Tpt_>	 * Lydia_WMDE, Sorry. :-(
[19:47:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Tpt_: hey :)
[19:47:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i poked denny already about it today but he was super busy
[19:47:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i hope i can get you answers tomorrow
[19:47:57] <Tpt_>	 Lydia_WMDE: Thanks :-)
[19:48:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 no problem
[21:22:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 43990) Robust serialization of change objects" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46294
[22:15:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 44440) ReferencedEntitiesFinder::findClaimLinks aware about Statements now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46440
[22:47:13] <Sk1d1>	 what is dataDrainer.js?
[23:59:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) reference related bugfix in wb.Claim.newFromJSON" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46467
[23:59:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) claimlistview can now serve a list of other widgets than claimview" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46468
[23:59:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) introduction of jQuery.wikibase.statementview" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46469
[23:59:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) statementview: counter for number of references" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46470
[23:59:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 43291) statementview can display and add references now (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/46471