[14:32:19] Channel is now logged [14:32:31] @optools-on [14:32:31] Operator tools were already enabled on this channel [14:32:40] @seen-on [14:32:40] Seen was already enabled [14:32:53] @statistics-on [14:32:54] Statistics are already enabled [14:54:50] Hey folks. I'm just finishing up the prep work. Anything need to be addressed before the office hours? [14:55:18] Just tos Won't be there... [14:55:18] :tos!tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni PRIVMSG #wikipedia-snuggle :Gtg outstation... Emergency calls. I cant be there for the office hours :| [14:55:18] :tos!tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni PRIVMSG #wikipedia-snuggle :Keep all logs for me [15:05:25] !snuggle [15:05:25] There will be an IRC office hours session (- Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC - #wikimedia-office -) to discuss #wikipedia-snuggle (pre/post-meeting available) More info at: http://is.gd/FLrqM6 [15:12:27] When do you think we should switch the topic in #wikimedia-office? [15:21:01] Technical_13: ^^ [15:21:27] You should, yes. [15:21:45] And give wm-bot +Vo [15:22:09] Oh, when... ummm.. 10 minutes or so? [15:22:43] "give wm-bot +Vo"? [15:22:48] * halfak|Mobile is a bit of an IRC noob [15:26:37] Auto voice and op abilities. [15:28:03] I'm not sure that I have the rights to give wm-bot anything. [15:29:01] Np [15:40:35] Loves drama... no, no, that's not right.. [15:40:50] Hey folks, morning to ya [15:41:16] Morning Ocaasi [15:41:45] hey technical! [15:41:49] how's it going? [15:42:08] Rough.. I is exhausted. [15:50:22] halfak|Mobile: should you be voiced since you are basically leading this meeting? [15:51:01] Technical_13: Sounds like something that might be reasonable, though I'm not sure what that means. [15:51:46] it mainly just identifies you as a regular. in my irc the voiced chatters have a green dot next to their name [15:51:55] think of it like being autoconfirmed in the channel [15:52:03] it's like a step below admin (Ops) [15:54:14] Gotcha. It seems that my IRC client (empathy) doesn't show the rights of users. [15:55:22] Might show @ for ops and + for voiced. [15:55:25] sometimes it just adds a (v) in front of the name [15:56:03] Either way.. You are voiced now. :p [15:56:51] ok, heading over to office channel... [15:57:10] Thanks :) [15:57:24] Ocaasi: [15:57:34] yup? [15:57:54] Can you set up a temp redirect from here to office for the meeting? [15:58:02] That a giid idea? [15:58:03] hmm... not sure how to do that [15:58:16] you could change the banner [15:58:17] If not, maybe a topic change? [15:58:19] add a link [15:58:27] i have no idea how to do that [15:58:37] I'm asking you because diing that stuff from mibile is a pain. [15:58:39] i'm an irc novice [15:58:53] if you tell me what to type i can do it [15:59:17] thought i'm not even voiced in this channel so maybe i can't [15:59:58] Lies.. [16:00:04] :p [16:00:09] :) [16:00:33] /topic for the banner.. [16:01:54] [- This is the http://enwp.org/WP:Snuggle work channel! Please try it out, leave your feedback and report any bugs! Start here --> https://snuggle.grouplens.org/ | Office hours are happening right now in #wikimedia-office -] [16:02:13] oh that wasn't too bad [16:02:20] :) [16:02:39] I'll do the redirect in 15 minutes. [16:02:43] :) [16:50:28] Oh yeah.. I'm here too now... [16:50:31] Sure can halfak [16:51:20] Thanks. :) [16:51:31] Such limited time in the office hours. :\ [16:55:31] Yeah, should have scheduled twice the time.. I honestly didn't expect this large of a turn-out. [17:02:54] I_Jethrobot, welcome back to #wikipedia-snuggle! This is the http://enwp.org/WP:Snuggle work channel! Try out Snuggle and let us know what you think or if you find any bugs! Start here --> https://snuggle.grouplens.org/ [17:03:08] that was one of the more productive office hours i've been to. nice work! [17:03:31] Technical_13: can you de-op me? [17:03:31] :) Good show folks. We got a lot of good discussion! [17:03:33] It was way too short... I didn't expect this huge turn-out. [17:03:51] thanks [17:03:53] There were some good ideas around, but I also felt like it went by fast. [17:05:12] So, was there some time dedicated to just talking about the interface? [17:05:22] And user issues? [17:05:29] slventura_, welcome back to #wikipedia-snuggle! This is the http://enwp.org/WP:Snuggle work channel! Try out Snuggle and let us know what you think or if you find any bugs! Start here --> https://snuggle.grouplens.org/ [17:06:02] my biggest suggestion for snuggle is that the actions be very promiment and easy to use, rather than in a collapse menu [17:06:03] I_Jethrobot: I intentionally didn't put too much structure on this part of the discussion. [17:06:30] Ahh [17:06:35] Here it is [17:06:40] halfak: I understand, that's fine. [17:06:44] Ocaasi: This is something I've been working on. See my most recent update in the work log: [17:06:51] !link WP:Snuggle/Work_log [17:06:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Snuggle/Work_log [17:06:55] halfak: excellent [17:07:02] chris_troutman, welcome back to #wikipedia-snuggle! This is the http://enwp.org/WP:Snuggle work channel! Try out Snuggle and let us know what you think or if you find any bugs! Start here --> https://snuggle.grouplens.org/ [17:07:19] This is the follow-up session being held immediately afterwards in #wikipedia-snuggle to discuss some issues of interest to Snuggle users. The visibility of Snuggle users' actions Access control vs. open Prioritization of new features Expansion into other languages (e.g. ptwiki) Supporting HostBot [17:07:22] Technical_13, can you quiet down Helpmebot for a little bit. [17:07:36] !welcomer disable [17:07:36] Done [17:07:42] hah. [17:07:45] That should do it. [17:07:59] !curl [17:07:59] * Helpmebot curls up in a ball. [17:08:00] Thanks! [17:08:01] that too. [17:09:00] About my question... I'm wondering if snuggle will work on iOS devices? [17:09:20] That sounds like a way-down-the-line sort of thing... [17:09:38] Prabash: It is web-based, so there is no reason it shouldn't work in your Safari browser I would think. [17:09:53] Prabash: It should. I didn't develop it with touch-screen use in mind, but I'd happily take bug reports. [17:09:56] It loads, but runs unreliably [17:10:35] Yes everytime I zoom in the whole page just crashes or refreshes [17:11:01] Sbouterse (WMF) updated Wikipedia talk:Snuggle with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=564676868 ([+345] /* Mentorship brainstorming */ new section) [17:11:24] Interesting. Prabash, can you give me a good description and possibly screenshot here: http://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/issues ? [17:11:30] Maybe because its in its developmental phase... [17:11:58] I will not talk in here until you disable this [17:12:13] @recentchanges-off [17:12:20] @part [17:13:12] And this is on the newest iPad too [17:13:18] @recentchanges-off [17:13:40] Otherwise on my computer it runs fluently [17:14:18] @trusted [17:14:43] @unq wm-bot [17:15:00] meh.. should be quite. [17:15:14] halfak - I added that proposal on color-coding we discussed earlier. [17:15:23] Alright guys: for anyone interested in discussion a system to ensure mentors are experienced, I'd love ideas and feedback at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Snuggle#Ensuring_that_mentors_are_suitably_experienced [17:15:46] Thanks I_Jethrobot & GorillaWarfare. [17:15:54] GorillaWarefare - Thanks. I'll make some suggestions later today. [17:16:05] My primary goal in this chat is to make sure that we start the requisite conversations. [17:16:06] Great. I'd love to get this discussion going; it's something I think about a lot lately :? [17:16:06] As will I... [17:16:13] *:/ [17:16:30] I_Jethrobot and GorillaWarfare are doing an awesome job bringing these topics back to the wiki. [17:16:46] I'll expand on what I was saying earlier about how graduating from being mentored to be an editor doesn't make you prepared to mentor just yet. [17:16:48] It's a concern that seems awfully similar to the concerns about reviwers at AfC... [17:16:59] I_Jethrobot: I would lump that it [17:17:00] *in [17:17:07] * GorillaWarfare adds a comment [17:19:33] There's a few other topics that I think we should have a proper discussion about. [17:19:45] Let's start with the visibility of Snuggle actions. [17:20:01] GorillaWarfare: Your section seems to be the same as the section above (2 minute difference, so I'm assuming you were both working on it at the same time... Mind merging them together, please? [17:20:16] (That discussion about AfC is here, for anyone who is interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#WikiProject_Articles_for_creation_Threatens_to_Ruin_Wikipedia) [17:20:31] well guys, I need to go now. Technical_13 I'll learn the summary from u. bye. it's late night here. [17:20:40] Yep. [17:20:55] Technical_13: The one above it is talking about a grant proposal -- I didn't really want to move the discussion to Meta, like he suggested [17:20:59] Ahh. Okay... [17:21:01] Technical_13: But I left a message at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Reimagining_WP_Mentorship to link the two [17:21:02] I hope that you all have noticed that I put a "Recent activity" list on the welcome page for Snuggle. Some users have brought up concerns about how public this is. Thoughts? [17:21:13] Pratyya: Thanks for coming. :) [17:21:17] I personally like it halfak. [17:21:28] +halfak: you mean the good faith/bad faith labeling? [17:21:31] halfak, if anything, I think snuggle should make it even more visible what others are doing [17:21:31] anytime halfak [17:21:51] It is a good way to quickly catch if a misclick or error was made and if someone is using the tool inappropriately. [17:21:52] chris_troutman: Yes and the actions (message sending, teahouse invites, etc.) [17:22:02] for instance, when I start it, I wonder how many people are also using it, looking at the same uncategorized users I am, etc [17:22:37] I don't feel the interface gives me any reassurance that I'm not going to do duplicate work [17:23:10] waldir: I agree; I get the same feeling; auto-refresh would be good [17:23:15] halfak: I would actually think a possible improvement might be a narrow sidecolumn "feed" of what others are doing with the tool. [17:23:15] halfak - All the information that is posted about an editor's actions (and a Snuggle user's actions) are already available through histories. I'm not sure I understand the concern...? [17:24:01] Technical_13, that might be too much noise. I am actually more interested in knowing wether someone is dealing with the same users I am [17:24:10] My only concern with doing that is when many people start using it, will that sidebar become unstable and useless kind of like RecentChanges is. [17:24:19] The concern over visibility is discussed a bit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Snuggle#Visibility_of_Snuggle_activities [17:24:27] Special:Contribs shows all the messages I leave through Snuggle, but not the user determinations [17:25:21] I think it could work if we had a simple alert icon that on hover would show a tooltip saying "user:xyz is also looking at user:foo's profile" or something to that effect [17:25:53] (for a start) [17:26:09] Would you feel like your privacy was being violated if others know when and where you looked at newcomers in Snuggle? [17:26:11] I'm thinking a hover might be bad.. [17:26:26] Yeah. [17:26:28] Reviewers are able to do something like waldir is suggesting. [17:26:36] Hover would be bad for touch device users. very unfriendly. [17:26:46] Not tooltips, though. [17:26:51] hmmm. what would you suggest then? [17:26:56] I think that there is plenty enough whitespace to just show who else is looking at that user. [17:27:30] Is there a "locking" mechanism that can be used? [17:27:34] OTRS has something like this. [17:27:41] ok, but then the tooltip everything issue is rendered moot https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/issue/15/tooltip-everything [17:27:55] OK. Is it safe to say that everyone in this room is generally not opposed to the level of visibility currently in Snuggle? [17:27:56] maybe we should have question mark icons tat open dialog boxes on click/tap? [17:28:35] Where a volunteer can lock an e-mail to permissions or wherever and can be the only one to reply to it-- it's also removed from the public queue. [17:28:48] It would appear to not be too visibile halfak, perhaps not visible enough. [17:28:55] I mean, we can't spell out every element of the interface, and not everything will be obvious to everyone, so some tooltip-like element will be necessary, IMO [17:29:14] halfak - I'm not opposed to the level of visibility, correct. [17:29:20] neither am I [17:29:20] +halfak: I'm fine with visibility as is [17:29:35] (It's also the consensus I get from others, though to be fair, there's only a handful of us here...) [17:29:45] I_Jethrobot: Do you mean that a lock that when one Snuggler is looking at an editor, others can not? [17:30:38] What if any rows expanded by one user get hidden in other user's interface? [17:30:44] Technical_13 - That's right. This is something that could be unlocked once a welcome or warning is issued. [17:30:45] I could see that with an option to "invite another Snuggler to collaborate".. [17:31:09] if the user doesn't act on it and opens another, it could then be unhidden for others [17:31:10] I have to change locations, guys. I'll be right back. [17:31:34] waldir: That is what I_Jethrobot is suggesting I think. [17:31:57] yes, I meant that as a specific implementation suggestion for that idea :) [17:32:03] and I would be fine with that as long as there was an option to allow the person viewing to collaborate with other snugglers. [17:32:05] waldir - Yeah, maybe one user at-a-time would be best. [17:32:13] is there a way to review Snuggle action? What if we get a ne'er-do-well mislabeling users? [17:32:16] Technical_13, agreed [17:32:33] (unnecessary hyphens...) [17:33:02] chris_troutman, something like a user-filtered activity log? [17:33:16] chris_troutman: Just when you first come in at this point. [17:33:18] afaik currently there's only the global activity log in the entry page [17:33:32] waldir: yes, sounds right [17:33:56] Would a separate tab for recent activity be useful? [17:34:16] Currently there are "uncat", "good", "ambiguous", and "bad" [17:34:30] could add "recent activity" [17:34:51] We'll have to wait a moment for halfak to get back to find out more about that. [17:34:54] I think so, and it could have a filter for which user performed the action [17:35:15] * Technical_13 sighs... I need to go as well... [17:35:27] I'll still be semi-active from droid... [17:35:34] in fact, in the "good", etc tabs, it could be nice to have an indication of who categorized each user [17:35:53] and the user names could then be linked to an already-filtered view of the "recent activity" tab :) [17:37:13] I have to leave, folks. Thanks for the conversation, Aaron. I'll be in touch. [17:37:35] I'll stick around in chat to review the conversation, I just won't be able to respond. [17:37:58] we should do these more often ;) [17:39:02] Hey guys. What did I miss? [17:39:02] So, I have a partial solution to the duplicate work problem. [17:39:02] I can change Snuggle so that it reloads the user details from the server ever time that you view a user. [17:39:29] Yikes. [17:39:37] * halfak|Mobile shakes fist at freenode [17:39:57] Is anyone still here? [17:40:19] I am.. [17:40:31] I am [17:40:58] OK. So, I'll look into some ways to make it unlikely that you'll duplicate work. [17:41:30] halfak|Mobile: taking off or still got time? [17:41:57] I'd really like to completely change the server architecture so that you can *see* when someone else is looking at the user you are in real time, but sadly, that would take too much time and would cut into my other work on Snuggle. [17:42:07] I can stick around for the next hour or so. [17:43:03] One of my biggest struggles with Snuggle is finding time since I'm working by myself in a volunteer capacity. I don't mean to complain. I just hope you'll understand when I suggest implementing something in the quick and dirty way. [17:43:03] halfak|Mobile, you said earlier you were going to talk about the (mis)alignment issues. what about them? [17:43:38] halfak|Mobile, that's perfectly understandable :) [17:44:02] I_Jethrobot is suggesting I think. [17:44:02] [13:31] yes, I meant that as a specific implementation suggestion for that idea :) [17:44:02] [13:32] <+Technical_13> and I would be fine with that as long as there was an option to allow the person viewing to collaborate with other snugglers. [17:44:02] [13:32] waldir - Yeah, maybe one user at-a-time would be best. [17:44:02] [13:32] Quit: halfak [Quit: halfak] [17:44:02] [13:32] is there a way to review Snuggle action? What if we get a ne'er-do-well mislabeling users? [17:44:02] [13:32] Technical_13, agreed [17:44:03] So, the headers are aligned with the content cells for each user. [17:44:03] [13:32] (unnecessary hyphens...) [17:44:03] [13:33] chris_troutman, something like a user-filtered activity log? [17:44:04] [13:33] <+Technical_13> chris_troutman: Just when you first come in at this point. [17:44:05] [13:33] afaik currently there's only the global activity log in the entry page [17:44:05] [13:33] waldir: yes, sounds right [17:44:06] [13:33] <+Technical_13> Would a separate tab for recent activity be useful? [17:44:07] [13:34] <+Technical_13> Currently there are "uncat", "good", "ambiguous", and "bad" [17:44:07] [13:34] <+Technical_13> could add "recent activity" [17:44:08] [13:34] <+Technical_13> We'll have to wait a moment for halfak to get back to find out more about that. [17:44:08] [13:34] I think so, and it could have a filter for which user performed the action [17:44:08] [13:35] * Technical_13 sighs... I need to go as well... [17:44:08] [13:35] <+Technical_13> I'll still be semi-active from droid... [17:44:09] [13:35] Quit: Technical_13 [Quit: Page closed] [17:44:09] [13:35] in fact, in the "good", etc tabs, it could be nice to have an indication of who categorized each user [17:44:10] [13:35] and the user names could then be linked to an already-filtered view of the "recent activity" tab :) [17:44:10] [13:36] Join: halfak|Mobile [17:44:28] ^^^ what you missed from my scrollback... [17:45:05] T13|android: Pastebin is your friend... [17:45:28] Thanks T13. [17:45:39] Not from an android unfortunately GorillaWarfare [17:46:07] So, I'd like to address one thing at a time, but since the discussion I missed can be dealt with quickly, I'd like to discuss that for a minute. [17:46:17] So, you *can* filter the active by the user who performed it. [17:46:27] You can also see who performed a categorization. [17:46:37] The fact that this was not obvious is a problem. [17:47:16] filtering the main activity log is obvious. the problem is you only see that before starting the tool [17:47:30] Indeed. If you click on the Snuggle icon, it will come back. [17:47:31] it should be a permanently accessible view (e.g. an extra tab) [17:47:35] hmmm [17:47:59] halfak|Mobile: the "help" tab still does nothing btw... [17:48:08] It's intended to be a "home" screen. I was hoping that the "when I click on the logo, I go home" general intuition for web pages would carry over. [17:48:38] T13|android: First I've heard of this. It works for me. What browser/OS? [17:48:53] Logo doesn't render as clickable.. [17:49:13] Vista/Firefox 21 (maybe 22) [17:49:14] it works for me on chrome, not firefo (ubuntu) [17:49:20] *firefox [17:50:25] halfak|Mobile, I see the point about clicking the logo, but I believe the activity log should definitely be a tab [17:50:49] * T13|android agrees. [17:51:15] Or a feed.. [17:51:31] I see that the help tab fails in firefox. [17:51:46] I personally dislike the feed idea, I don't think the signal/noise ratio will be useful [17:52:07] i mean, when you're in the activity tab, sure, it can auto-update [17:52:25] but not as a side widget, that would be more distracting than anything, I believe [17:52:32] Is snuggle os halfak|Mobile, and if not, can you email me a link to help you work on it? [17:52:52] https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src [17:53:09] waldir I wouldn't be opposed to the feed being opt-in [17:53:21] * halfak|Mobile welcomes T13|android [17:53:47] as long as the ta view is also available, nothing against it as an opt-in feature :) [17:53:53] *tab view [17:53:55] T13|android: When you want to check out the source, see the docs. I link to the repo every chance I get. Do you do distributed version control>? [17:54:29] I'm generally against opt-in features since they represent a lot of maintenance for a bit of code that few people will use. [17:54:31] * T13|android is going down bumpy road on bus and can't read. .. [17:54:40] As with anything, I can be convinced though. [17:55:09] T13|Android, you're a professional. IRC on a bus is hardcore. [17:55:14] lol [17:55:42] ... yep [17:55:54] If you only knew... [17:56:48] If you can't be bothered to go check out the WP:Snuggle for the link to the repo, I'll send it to you when you are less vehicularly impaired. [17:56:52] halfak|Mobile, the "history" dropdown to access a user's past categorizations makes sense, but indeed it isn't obvious [17:57:18] Yes. My new design for the "history" would be even less obvious [17:57:27] !link WP:Snuggle/Work_log [17:57:28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Snuggle/Work_log [17:57:34] ^^ See the last entry there [17:57:45] I don't think the list will grow long, so it could be displayed directly, don't you think? [17:57:53] * waldir checks [17:58:49] heheh, indeed :P [17:59:30] not a lot less obvious though, since it would be an icon te same size as the others and right below them [17:59:54] (excuse my faulty H key) [18:01:04] so, returning to the alignment thing... what was the issue again? [18:02:24] Sorry, but let me ask this first, where does it *feel* out of alignment? [18:03:27] oh, I see what you did. the problem is that in the collapsed state, the edit graph's borders are what define visually the columns [18:03:49] regardless of whether they are the boundaries in the code (which I understand they aren't) [18:04:27] so I would expect the headers to be split in te same location [18:04:34] Yes. This is the problem I need to figure out how to solve. [18:05:16] maybe there isn't even a need to space them, a single 1px vertical line aligned with the edit graph's boundaries would work, I think [18:05:17] I've considered putting a border around the entire graph -- labels and all -- or just pushing the header over. [18:05:45] Even with the 1px line, it needs to be in a location that makes sense. [18:06:39] yes, that's what I meant: I think the location that makes sense is aligned with the edit graph's left/right boundaries :) [18:06:54] If you don't mind, I'd really appreciate it if you could record some of your ideas by painting on top of a screenshot. [18:07:05] sure :) [18:07:09] Awesome :) [18:08:07] Writing the code is the easy part if I know what makes sense. [18:10:32] It looks like we are fizzling, so I think now's a good time to summarize and discuss how we'll move forward. [18:11:46] From this session and last, I've learned that Snuggle works for what people need it to do, but there are some missing features (and egregious bugs) that I'll need to spend some time on over the course of the next month. [18:12:19] I'll try to start a conversation with mentors at the Adopt-a-user program about snuggle and how it might support their work. [18:13:07] If you guys want to track my progress and know when I've started work on *your* feature request, I recommend adding my work log to your watchlist. [18:13:12] !WP:Snuggle/Work log [18:13:16] woops [18:13:17] http://i.imgur.com/6bAQ630.png [18:13:25] !link WP:Snuggle/Work log [18:13:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Snuggle/Work_log [18:14:55] There was a lot of good discussion about who should be allowed to act as a mentor in Wikipedia. [18:15:07] (I already added the screenshot to the relevant bug) [18:16:01] I don't see a clear path for making sense of how that should work, but I'd like to continue the conversation. GorillaWarfare started a discussion at WT:Snuggle. I intend to follow that discussion to see what conclusions are reached. [18:16:09] (Thanks waldir) [18:16:14] Anything else that I missed? [18:16:46] not that I have noticed [18:18:39] Awesome. I'm going to go post the logs of our session and then get back to my WMF work for the rest of today. I plan to pick up Snuggle hacking again tomorrow. Whenever I'm working on Snuggle (and often when I'm not), I'll be in this channel. [18:19:28] I'll leave for now. see you next time [18:24:17] I have logs too. [18:28:30] Yours might be better formatted. I'll drop mine in an link you. Feel free to overwrite if yours look better. [18:30:31] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-07-17 [18:30:40] Technical_13: ^^^ [18:44:38] :) [18:47:55] For now... [18:50:03] !forget snuggle [19:27:32] !remember the 5th of november [19:27:50] (just saw "!forget snuggle") [19:30:16] lol [19:30:51] Thinking we should schedule another longer meeting for the near future based on that turnout... [19:31:46] Agreed. [19:32:23] Maybe once I've gotten in contact with a few Adopt-a-user mentors. It would have been nice if we had a few of them in the chat. [19:32:28] Two, three, four weeks needed? [19:32:59] To implement some of the things discussed... [19:33:50] That's a good question. It's hard to make predictions about the time I'll have. I'm also supposed to write my thesis before the end of next month. :\ [19:34:04] I imagine that I can get some substantial work done in the next couple of weeks though. [19:34:22] Tentatively planning to meet again in about three weeks sounds about right. [19:34:45] Then 3.. that was about my thought. [19:35:02] I'll try to work up a mailer.. [19:35:27] And since I kept the l used. [19:35:46] Just need to add worm tt [19:37:37] worm tt? [19:45:47] !userinfo Worm_that_turned [19:45:48] There is no such user 'Worm_that_turned'. [19:45:57] !userinfo Worm_that_Turned [19:45:57] There is no such user 'Worm_that_Turned'. [19:46:02] !userinfo Worm_That_Turned [19:46:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Worm_That_Turned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Worm_That_Turned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=block&page=User:Worm_That_Turned Groups: checkuser, oversight, sysop, user, autoconfirmed Age: 1830.03:57:01.9037680 Registered:07/13/2008 15:49:02 Count: 15356 Activity:8.390... [19:46:04] ...50211929704 [19:46:16] ^^^ adopter [20:01:32] halfak|Mobile: ? [20:02:41] Gotcha. [20:14:20] Is the Snuggle web interface php? [20:15:13] Output will be no longer suppressed now [20:15:27] @recentchanges-on [20:15:27] Feed is enabled [20:15:37] @seen-on [20:15:37] Seen was already enabled [20:15:42] @statistics-on [20:15:43] Statistics are already enabled [20:15:51] @optools-on [20:15:51] Operator tools were already enabled on this channel [20:16:42] halfak|Mobile: type !source is [20:16:48] @trusted [20:16:48] I trust: halfak (2admin), .*@wikimedia/addshore (2admin), .*@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni (2trusted), [20:17:28] Repo URL or should it go directly to the source tree? [20:17:55] Up to you. [20:18:04] !source is http://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle [20:18:04] Key was added [20:18:05] https://github.com/helpmebot/helpmebot [20:18:14] Lol [20:18:49] !uncurl [20:18:49] Done [20:18:58] !welcomer enable [20:18:58] Done [20:19:14] Almost forgot to turn those back on. [20:19:15] Sorry I missed your question about PHP earlier. There's no PHP involved. It's all Python, Javascript, HTML, CSS. It uses a Mongo storage system and YAML config files. [20:19:51] I don't know much python yet, but have a gradp of the rest. [20:20:40] !forget source [20:21:11] @infobot-ignore access [20:21:19] @infobot-ignore+ access [20:21:19] Item access was inserted to ignore list [20:22:58] The majority of the work I've done is javascript. For better or worse, I'm one of those people who doesn't like frameworks, so I rolled my own everything except for jQuery. [20:23:17] Oh boy... [20:23:33] :) [20:40:01] Hey. Sorry about that. Lock screen + Pull out all the USB + Disconnect power = Locked up laptop [20:41:24] lol [20:41:40] * Technical_13 is still on droid. [21:10:16] EpochFail updated Wikipedia:Snuggle/Notice with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=564703395 ([-111] Office hour complete.) [21:10:58] Slventura updated Wikipedia talk:Snuggle with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=564703473 ([+953] /* Ensuring that mentors are suitably experienced */) [21:11:27]