[08:59:16] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tow modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565449882 (minor wording change) [08:59:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tow modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565449925 (spacing fix) [14:48:41] Technical_13, Where are we on the TAFI design? [14:49:45] On hold... I've missed a great deal of college school work and am on the verge of my funding being withsrawn. So... focusing on getting caught up. [14:52:19] Today, NorthAmerica pinged everyone at TAFI with the latest articles [14:52:33] I suppose thats bound to ripple up some activity there... [14:53:12] So we would really require the design to be ready enough soon; which would smoothen everything out [14:53:15] Technical_13, ^ [14:54:57] .. not sure why we're not discussing it in TAFI... anyways... feel free to poje at my design idea... [14:56:54] I think it is being rushed a little... perhaps we can schedule a TAFI meeting in #wikipedia-en-TAFI for the end of the week and figure it all out? [14:57:42] I think that would produce the best turnout/progress on the project. [14:57:49] tos: ^^^ [15:00:09] Take it you didn't see my last comments... [15:00:20] .. not sure why we're not discussing it in TAFI... anyways... feel free to poke at my design idea... [15:00:27] I think it is being rushed a little... perhaps we can schedule a TAFI meeting in #wikipedia-en-TAFI for the end of the week and figure it all out? [15:00:33] I think that would produce the best turnout/progress on the project. [15:00:40] tos2: ^^^ [15:01:32] Technical_13, I'm concerned about the activity of the project to be enough to get people to gather in a chatroom at a SINGLE time [15:02:02] You've already seen how discussions there stalled and caused large periods of inactivity there [15:02:45] Yeah, butvi didn't expect the turnout the Snuggle meeting got either. [15:03:27] Nopes [15:03:36] I expected it to have a decent turnout [15:03:45] It had a good to very good turnout [15:04:03] Thats mainly because of the canvassing and pre-planning we did [15:04:49] Yep... can send out a mailer for a TAFI meeting too... [15:05:06] Still dont expect a lot of people [15:05:33] The only way TAFI can get its ball rolling is to get it on the main page first [15:06:46] Don't need "a lot" but I don't have time to design it all myself in a short time frame, sooo.... we need to try and get a few that have time and want to help... [15:07:22] North, theo, pratyya, prabash... whatever at this point.. [15:08:02] Matticusmadness [15:08:08] Possibly matty.007 [15:08:09] Sure... [15:08:37] * Technical_13 doesn't care much who, as long as they can follow simple directions... [15:08:46] Same [15:09:01] tos2: What's the problem with the new mockups? [15:09:47] halfak, The current design is simple and effective. [15:10:05] I'd invite halfak too, but his hands are full getting dome improvements on snuggle by Aug 7 for the next office meeting... :p [15:10:10] But it has the problem that it draws your attention too strongly toward categorization and away from actions. [15:10:17] Most of the users who use Snuggle for the first time will immediately know what the buttons do [15:10:18] T13: <3 [15:10:37] So nobody is confused as to what they're supposed to be doing. [15:10:50] So you just don't want the buttons hidden in a drop down. [15:10:54] Yes [15:11:01] Make actions more visible [15:11:07] Not mmake buttons less visible [15:11:13] This was Ocaasi's 1st and strongest feedback. [15:11:18] We have limited screen real estate [15:11:41] We can't have both things occupy the same pixels. [15:11:54] I would be okay with a reduction of button size [15:12:17] * Technical_13 thinks people need bigger screen and use 1920 resolution.. [15:12:17] But I am very strongly in favour of keeping the buttons highly prominent [15:12:44] Technical_13: lol. One of these days, the average browser width will be 1920, but then we'll probably stop full-screening our browsers. [15:12:50] What you need to focus on, halfak, is the welcome screen. It needs a lot more information. [15:13:11] Nopes. I full screen only to stop all other distractions while I watch a movie. [15:13:42] Woah, dude. You're the first person to disagree with the new menu and the first person to say that the welcome screen should be priority #1. [15:14:03] * Technical_13 has conflict between 27" desktop screen and 3.5" droid screen... [15:14:08] Everything has a first time [15:14:27] that's not the point [15:17:21] Yet another DC. Technical_13, PM logs after my last message please? [15:17:56] [11:14] <+tos2> Everything has a first time [15:17:57] [11:14] <+halfak> that's not the point [15:17:57] [11:17] Join: tos [tos@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] [15:18:35] halfak, the reason I want Welcome screen as Priority #1 is because we will have a stream of users who'll just check out Snuggle in the coming days [15:18:56] But we have no evidence that the welcome screen is a problem. [15:19:04] What do you think that it needs? [15:19:18] And the current setup does nothing to explain anything AT ALL to anyone who just followed the link to snuggle [15:19:29] More information and clarification [15:19:59] About what? [15:20:00] "Snuggle is a tool designed to help mentors and other experienced editors on Wikipedias to monitor and help newer editors." [15:20:56] Currently, you can categorise users as good faith or bad faith and view their edits on Snuggle. You can also send them a welcome or a message onwiki using Snuggle [15:21:06] *using the action button. [15:21:17] How will they know what I'm talking about? [15:21:31] Brb [15:21:31] Also, doesn't that message get redundant after the first visit? [15:21:42] k [15:21:47] I got to go for a few minutes [15:21:56] Maybe a few hours :( [15:23:27] I don't see the need for that either.... although.... [15:23:50] Are you referring to the welcome screen? [15:24:00] A first visit interactive walk through type thing might be good. [15:24:27] I agree. That seems like a lot of programming. I wonder if a screen-cast would be easier and 95% of the good. [15:24:38] Can commons handle streaming video? [15:24:46] "Thanks for logining in! This appears to be your first time here.".... [15:24:56] Streaming? [15:25:28] Yeah. I just want to upload a video and get a streaming player. [15:25:53] It handles some videos.. [15:51:48] One thing that gets me about having a big bold "Welcome and Help" screen is that I'm skeptical that anyone we want to use Snuggle wouldn't find the docs on wiki. Or the help tab. [15:52:10] Don't get me wrong. If this is a problem, I want it fixed. [15:52:25] Help tab that didn't/doesn't work in ff22? [15:52:46] Yes. I know. That's one of the first things to fix once I get back to UI work. [15:52:56] ... [15:53:24] I've been hung up in the last refactoring. I'm just about to push out a substantial change to Snuggle today that will make talk activity work better. [15:53:33] It requires a database conversion. [15:54:04] I like to keep my deployments and merges minimalistic. [15:54:40] Should we invite the CVU and NPP patrollers to the next snuggle meeting? [15:54:53] What's CVU? [15:55:05] counter-vandal umbrella? [15:55:05] It can be used as an anti-vandal tool as well after all... [15:55:15] Basically [15:56:01] Yeah. That sounds good. If Snuggle ends up being another tool for crushing vandals, I'm going to need to change the name. [15:57:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/Notice]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565493091 () [15:58:52] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/Notice]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565493289 (fixed time) [16:04:52] "Snuggle 0(backwards R) Smutha" [16:05:13] * Technical_13 has placed his vote for a new name... [16:42:54] ? [16:57:17] halfak: New name for Snuggle.... "Snuggle 0Я Smutha" [16:57:29] :p [16:57:43] it's a joke.... *sigh* [17:27:35] lol I wasn't clever enough. I'm imagining a hot-or-not style of interface now. [17:28:28] oh good lord... [17:28:46] Snuggle v2 [17:29:17] Snuggle0Яnot [19:02:53] Technical_13: Say, I just realized that Aug. 7th as a tentative next Snuggle meeting is going to be difficult for me. I'll actually be presenting Snuggle at Wikimania on the 7th. :) [19:17:39] halfak, Ping [19:17:42] Technical_13, Ping [19:18:25] Pong... [19:19:29] halfak and I decided you were nutz. :p [19:20:26] I concur [19:20:30] He was going to make a "first time" user tour for how Snuggle can be used. [19:20:30] But why? [19:20:40] Instead [19:21:04] ? [19:21:15] Don't want the main page to be redumnant [19:21:42] The tour could be a permanent addition, like the help tab [19:21:54] So instead of adding all your suggested text, he was going to make a guided tour/ how to. [19:22:00] Only activating for new users [19:22:13] The help tab that doesn't work? :p [19:22:25] It works fine for me [19:27:39] T13, Checking the tab out? [19:30:11] Broken in ff [19:30:41] halfak already knows. Try Chrome and give ur feedback on it [19:36:09] I know he knows... I keep poking at him... :p [19:38:24] Ok :D [19:38:39] What about the Help tab itself? How is it? 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