[02:42:44] <tos>	 @seen Ocassi
[02:42:44] <wm-bot>	 tos: I have never seen Ocassi
[02:42:54] <tos>	 @seen theopolisme
[02:42:54] <wm-bot>	 tos: Last time I saw theopolisme they were quitting the network with reason: Remote host closed the connection N/A at 7/24/2013 12:35:08 AM (2h7m46s ago)
[04:23:29] <T13|sleeps>	 :0 tos using wm-bot2?
[04:24:01] * tos  sharpens his knives to throw at T13|sleeps

[15:20:20] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] New thread tracer syncing.  Still needs UI updates.:      New thread tracer syncing.  Still needs UI updates.                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/245dd236afe4/config/enw https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/245dd236afe4
[15:20:21] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Added pt-br welcome page:      Added pt-br welcome page                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/be0124b664f9/static/doc/pt-br.welcome.html">       https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/be0124b664f9
[15:20:22] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Added all files needed to ptwiki version:      Added all files needed to ptwiki version                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/44dd44bbf07a/config/enwiki.mediawi https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/44dd44bbf07a
[15:20:23] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Mockups for new categorizer:      Mockups for new categorizer                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/693610f54e8c/docs/mock/action_menu.v2.svg">     https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/693610f54e8c
[15:20:24] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Merged in henrique's additions.:      Merged in henrique's additions.                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/96fafd095c83/config/enwiki.mediawiki.yaml"> https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/96fafd095c83
[15:20:25] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Nearly code-complete on new trace system.:      Nearly code-complete on new trace system.                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/fc3a2af3bb2f/config/enwiki.mediaw https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/fc3a2af3bb2f
[15:20:26] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Merged configs:      Merged configs                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/7f41389ca637/config/enwiki.mediawiki.yaml">             conf https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/7f41389ca637
[15:20:27] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Final touches to new trace system.  Still no conversion script.:      Final touches to new trace system.  Still no conversion script.                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/c1ed96f584b https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/c1ed96f584bc
[15:20:28] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Updated for ptwiki:      Updated for ptwiki                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/87ce935b6baa/.htpasswd-private">             .htpasswd-p https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/87ce935b6baa
[15:20:29] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Added new (untested) script for a one-time conversion from old threads to new.:      Added new (untested) script for a one-time conversion from old threads to new.                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/ https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/184012b9c1e5
[15:20:30] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Update script tested:      Update script tested                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/e7d7594866cd/scripts/update.talks.py">             scr https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/e7d7594866cd
[15:20:51] <tos>	 !trout Technical_13
[15:20:52] * Helpmebot  slaps Technical_13 with a ten pound trout.

[15:23:35] <halfak>	 FYI: Quick maintenance to deal with database issue.  :\
[15:26:17] <halfak>	 Back up.
[15:26:41] <halfak>	 And with that, I can finally get back to my UI work.  :)  The help tab should be fixed soon.
[15:28:07] <tos>	 ok :)
[15:28:09] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/Notice]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565627019 (Maintenance and follow-up complete.)
[15:28:42] <halfak>	 tos: I'm going to have new mockups ready for you today.
[15:32:06] <tos2>	 halfak, I like the tour idea btw. It should have a tab of its own, beside help
[15:32:26] <Technical_13>	 In case someone wants to do it again?
[15:32:55] <tos2>	 yes
[15:33:06] <halfak>	 If someone wants to program a tour and send me a pull request, I'll be happy to review it.
[15:33:50] <tos2>	 !topbadger
[15:34:04] * tos2  points to Technical_13

[15:34:36] <Technical_13>	 ...
[15:35:58] <halfak>	 If only there was a free time fairy, you could just wake up in the morning and find some free time underneath your pillow with which to do those important things you don't have time for -- like going back to sleep.
[15:36:29] <Technical_13>	 Back to sleep?
[15:36:34] <tos2>	 halfak, There is. Her name is "Snooze"
[15:36:42] <halfak>	 But the time is not free.
[15:36:51] <halfak>	 Arguably, snooze time is the most expensive time there is.
[15:37:12] <tos2>	 Unless your alarm is 5 mins earlier than it should be
[15:37:21] <tos2>	 Free time!
[15:37:58] <halfak>	 If I had a time machine, I'd sleep twice as much and age quickly.
[15:38:44] <tos2>	 We all have our own time machines. Its set at 1.0x speed, and I'm still working to find the dial to change the speed
[15:39:42] <halfak>	 If falling "forward" in time without a way to affect anything could be referred to as a "machine", sure.
[18:29:38] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] bump version number to 1.2:      bump version number to 1.2                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/653a73b3e144/static/doc/en-us.help.html">        https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/653a73b3e144
[18:45:02] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] fixed firefox help issue:      fixed firefox help issue                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/c12bbd75cb67/static/index.html">             stati https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/c12bbd75cb67
[18:45:47] <halfak>	 Finally fixed the FF help tab issue.
[18:47:14] <tos>	 nopes
[18:49:30] <halfak>	 yups
[18:49:42] <halfak>	 Refresh
[18:49:54] <halfak>	 You need to do that to tell your browser to download the new code.
[19:03:04] <tos>	 It works!
[19:03:10] <halfak>	 :)
[19:03:27] <tos>	 !pie T13|sleeps
[19:03:27] * Helpmebot  makes a pie, and throws it at T13|sleeps.

[19:05:39] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565650704 (/* Solutions to the the snuggler-newcomer race condition */ new section)
[19:12:49] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jamesmcmahon0 modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565651424 (/* Solutions to the the snuggler-newcomer race condition */ Vote for local refresh)
[19:22:13] <halfak>	 @seen Theopolisme
[19:22:13] <wm-bot>	 halfak: Last time I saw Theopolisme they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: a mouse built a house N/A at 7/24/2013 7:37:00 AM (11h45m12s ago)
[19:22:55] <halfak>	 wm-bot2: thanks
[19:22:55] <wm-bot>	 Hey halfak, you are welcome!
[19:23:17] <tos>	 wm-bot2, Thanks
[19:23:17] <wm-bot>	 Hey tos, you are welcome!
[19:34:01] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Andrewman327 modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565654036 (/* Solutions to the the snuggler-newcomer race condition */)
[19:43:58] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail created [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3aSnuggle%2fUser_message (init)
[19:45:44] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail created [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message/doc]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3aSnuggle%2fUser_message%2fdoc ([[WP:AES|←]]Created page with '{{Documentation subpage}} <!-- Categories go at the bottom of this page and interwikis go in Wikidata. -->  == Usage == <nowiki>{{Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message|...')
[19:46:07] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565655532 ()
[19:54:15] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message/doc]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565656599 ()
[19:55:51] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565656820 ()
[19:56:06] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565656853 ()
[20:13:41] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message/doc]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565659031 ()
[20:17:49] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565659464 ()
[20:20:02] <halfak>	 T13: ping
[20:20:19] <halfak>	 :(
[20:20:21] <netsplit>	 Yes?
[20:20:39] <halfak>	 Do you have much experience with Templates and parser functions?
[20:20:49] <{{Guy}}>	 LMAO
[20:21:04] <halfak>	 I'll take that as a yes.
[20:21:09] <{{Guy}}>	 ← my nick here is Template:Guy
[20:21:18] <{{Guy}}>	 Get it? :p
[20:21:50] <halfak>	 I'm working on a ridiculously simple template for supporting Snuggle.  See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snuggle/User_message
[20:22:11] <halfak>	 I want to subst onto user_talk pages.
[20:22:33] <halfak>	 But the subst pulls the {{#if: ...}} over rather than evaluating it.
[20:22:59] <halfak>	 Can I get the {{#if: ...}} to evaluate at the time of inclusion?
[20:35:55] <halfak>	 {{Guy}}: no luck?
[20:42:15] <halfak>	 Technical_13: Did you have a chance to look at the {{#if: ...}} subst problem?
[20:42:59] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662504 ()
[20:43:19] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662547 (Undid revision 565662504 by [[Special:Contributions/EpochFail|EpochFail]] ([[User talk:EpochFail|talk]]) broken)
[20:43:59] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662633 ()
[20:44:13] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662665 (Undid revision 565662633 by [[Special:Contributions/EpochFail|EpochFail]] ([[User talk:EpochFail|talk]]) broken again)
[20:45:03] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662763 ()
[20:45:10] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chris_troutman modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565662775 (/* Solutions to the the snuggler-newcomer race condition */ local refresh might be ok)
[20:45:13] <Technical_13>	 Thinking <includeonly> is your answer.
[20:45:44] <Technical_13>	 I'll look in an hour or so when I'm alone. :)
[20:45:48] <halfak>	 OK.  Thanks.
[20:46:09] <halfak>	 (that's going to be some crazy use of includeonly. :P
[20:46:32] <Technical_13>	 Yep.. I do that... :p
[20:55:42] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565664100 ()
[20:57:08] <Technical_13>	 !linl
[20:57:12] <Technical_13>	 !link
[20:57:13] <Helpmebot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snuggle/User_message
[20:57:52] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565664387 (Undid revision 565664100 by [[Special:Contributions/EpochFail|EpochFail]] ([[User talk:EpochFail|talk]]) no dice)
[20:58:13] <halfak>	 I give up. :(
[21:00:22] * Technical_13  chuckles...

[21:00:44] <Technical_13>	 Explain how you envision your template working...
[21:02:22] <Technical_13>	 If {{{1}}} or {{{header}}} exists, display them side by side?
[21:03:17] <Technical_13>	 OR are you looking for if {{{1|{{{header}}}}}} display the header?
[21:03:39] <halfak>	 You're not supposed to use both.
[21:04:16] <halfak>	 Woops.  Looks like I accidentally reverted back too far.
[21:04:47] <halfak>	 Is there a good way to say Display {{{1}}} or {{{header}}} or nothing.
[21:05:18] <Technical_13>	 lol do you want people to used named values or do you want it implicit?
[21:06:44] <halfak>	 I was originally just going to use positionals, but that causes problems with headers due to the presence of "=" symbols.
[21:07:05] <halfak>	 So I wanted named params to be optional.
[21:07:31] <halfak>	 Right now, it works if you don't mix positional and named params.
[21:08:30] <halfak>	 The real problem that I'm stuck on is getting the damn {{#if: ... }} to not appear in the resulting markup left by {{subst:...}}
[21:14:54] <Technical_13>	 Okay... Then it will need to be {{{header|{{{1|}}}}}} and the equals signs should be {{subst:=}}
[21:42:39] <halfak>	 I see.  But that doesn't help with the {{#if: ... }} problem.
[21:43:43] <Technical_13>	 When subst, you need to make sure everything inside the parser functions gets subst too...
[21:44:04] <halfak>	 Can you subst an {{#if: }}?
[21:44:35] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670035 ()
[21:44:38] <Technical_13>	 See http://enwp.org/User:Technical_13/Templates/ss ((iirc))
[21:45:02] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670078 ()
[21:46:07] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670195 ()
[21:46:22] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670222 ()
[21:46:26] <Technical_13>	 halfak: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Technical_13/Templates/SS&action=edit
[21:46:37] <Technical_13>	 ^^^ example of subst template...
[21:47:14] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670314 ()
[21:47:36] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670357 ()
[21:48:10] <Technical_13>	 ... no edit summaries is bad... :p
[21:48:34] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670462 ()
[21:48:52] <halfak>	 Meh... I wish I could properly test these things without saving.
[21:49:20] <halfak>	 subst: doesn't seem to work with #if:
[21:49:24] <Technical_13>	 Tell me about it..
[21:49:30] <Technical_13>	 It does..
[21:50:16] <Technical_13>	 {{Subst:#if:{{{1|}}}|do this|otherwise do this}}
[21:50:17] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670661 ()
[21:51:39] <halfak>	 lol. It only works if you're substing the whole template.  Otherwise it breaks. :\
[21:51:48] <Technical_13>	 Yep.
[21:51:52] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565670849 ()
[21:52:05] <halfak>	 Lets see if safesubst will save the day
[21:52:24] <halfak>	 Yay!
[21:52:40] <halfak>	 Works as expected now.  :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snuggle/User_message
[21:52:46] <Technical_13>	 :)
[21:53:22] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:EpochFail modified [[Wikipedia:Snuggle/User message]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565671002 (noop edit -- Template now substitutes as expected (evaluating the {{#if: ...}})
[21:53:25] <halfak>	 Thanks for the help.
[21:53:57] <Technical_13>	 Would've been quicker if I was at computer... :p
[21:54:39] <halfak>	 I don't know how you manage the patience to IRC from phone, but I appreciate that you're around. :)
[21:55:59] <Technical_13>	 I don't know how either.. :p
[21:57:37] <Technical_13>	 Weelll... honestly, I don't have patients some times... it's why I'm using a beta version of AndChat and reporting bugs to make a better client.
[22:00:00] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Slventura modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565671747 (/* Ensuring that mentors are suitably experienced */)
[22:00:30] <Technical_13>	 !link
[22:00:30] <Helpmebot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Snuggle
[22:05:53] <Technical_13>	 Huh.. Suppose I should ring into the discussion there.
[22:07:55] <halfak>	 What model phone are you working from?
[22:08:23] <Technical_13>	 Galaxy S3
[22:10:44] <halfak>	 That's a nice handset.   My Nexus 4 is the first phone sans keyboard I've owned.  I hate vehemently hate typing on the screen.  Honestly, I miss the G1's keyboard.
[22:11:48] <Technical_13>	 I miss the keypad of my BlackBerry Curve..
[22:13:40] <halfak>	 Really?  I never had one of those portrait keyboard style phones.  I always imagined that they would be frustrating to type on.
[22:15:03] <Technical_13>	 You get use to it real quick and it's not hard once you thumbnails grow out some.
[22:15:12] <halfak>	 lol
[23:07:29] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Slventura modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565677967 (/* Ensuring that mentors are suitably experienced */)
[23:09:35] <wm-bot>	  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Slventura modified [[Wikipedia talk:Snuggle]] with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=565678149 (/* Ensuring that mentors are suitably experienced */)
[23:25:48] <wm-bot>	 [bitbucket] Lots of UI fixes and new css/js combiner:      Lots of UI fixes and new css/js combiner                        <ul>                         <li>           <a href="https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/src/ad38ff888dc4/config/en-us.i18n.yam https://bitbucket.org/grouplens/snuggle/commits/ad38ff888dc4