[14:48:45] halfak, Is snuggle still working? [14:49:16] It would help if you told me what you thought the problem was. [14:50:10] No actions in the last 20 days? [14:50:27] Is that a problem, maybe? [14:50:36] Yup. We're in a bit of a lull. [14:51:03] :( [14:51:11] Yup. [14:51:41] I've been planning to have some sessions, but the work at the WMF has me going late into the night. [14:52:03] If no one else wants to use Snuggle, I'll do it myself. [14:52:09] Just need to find the time. [14:52:40] Maybe you could ask around the other regulars why they havent been using it [14:53:10] Do I sense some volunteering? :) [14:53:11] Maybe it's some slight problem with the way snuggle is based that makes it inconvenient to be using snuggle effectively? [14:53:24] Yeah. I asked that question a lot recently. [14:53:32] Depends :) [14:53:34] For that paper I sent you. [14:53:42] And the answer was? [14:53:54] I heard minimal complains as far as the UI getting in the way. [14:54:29] Then it was mainly not wanting to keep doing it? [14:54:45] I think the bigger problem is that Snuggle doesn't fit into the work patterns that people like doing. [14:55:04] Also, that I don't hassle people when they haven't been around for a while. [14:55:39] I've been toying with the idea of setting up a Snuggle-athon or something similar that would get us all in the same IRC room talking about and using Snuggle to get some newcomers routed. [14:55:44] What work patterns are we talking of? [14:56:15] The most effective ways to keep using snuggle is to keep getting new snugglers [14:56:30] Good Q. I was trying to figure out the mentoring patterns, but the mentoring system seems to be terribly broken to me. It requires too much time and energy to manage just a few mentees. [14:56:50] So there's no incentive to proactively look for more. [14:57:06] Even a disincentive if you will. [14:57:25] Interesting [14:58:18] The key issue in both these cases, I think lies with wikipedia's core principles- Its a volunteer based project [14:58:42] Either you get time and you do things here, or you dont, and you leavew [14:58:57] Na. I think we can defeat those. You mentioned building up a core group of users in the past. I agree. [14:59:16] Sadly, building up something like this requires a high investment that I can't make at the moment. [14:59:25] But the issue is that even those core group wil have other commitments [15:00:29] So as long as we have an life outside, we are bound to lose track of snuggle since we cant commit so much time for a long period of time [15:00:50] My point is that if you ask for too much time, you wont get it for too long [15:01:36] So what about trying to get bursts of good activity done in the short period of time I am here, and get someone else to take up my place when I slow down? [15:02:51] In essence, rather than try for a core group, try for having replacement groups [15:03:11] I see these two things as one and the same. [15:03:29] The "core" is just made of members who will stick around for longer than usual and take on some organizing roles. [15:03:44] Thats what I dont think is affordable [15:03:57] But I agree that getting Snuggle spinning (work actually being done) is one of the first steps. [15:04:49] One of the things I am struggling with is dealing with the technological debt incurred by devs at the WMF who want me to reconfigure Snuggle for OAuth. I would have had 5-10 hours of time to organize Snugglers if I hadn't spent it working on Oauth. [15:04:49] I havent been around long, but it wouldnt take plenty of effort to try and find a few relatively newer editors from this time period who would now be apt snugglers [15:04:55] And oauth isn't done by a long shot. [15:05:13] Oh yes. OAuth is definitely a higher priority by far [15:05:43] I'm frustrated with it, honestly. It's eating all of the limited time I can devote to Snuggle. [15:06:02] What about contacting just the ones who've signed up recently, and try to coax them into actually trying Snuggle out? I faintly remember at least a couple such users [15:06:32] And here, mate, I offer you the best advice that anyone from my college can give - Lite! [15:06:41] I agree. Even a minimal amount of community organizing work would be better than none. [15:06:46] It would be nice to split the community organizing and development efforts up so I didn't have to wear two hats, but it's a lot to ask someone else to do. [15:08:00] I would've worn the first one, if I myself wasnt unsure of how much time I have to devote [15:09:32] If you're interested in picking up a little bit while you have time, I'll fully support you. I know that making time is hard though (especially since you're minimizing wiki work), so I wouldn't have asked if you didn't bring it up. [15:10:58] Fully support me? Of course you'll fully support me! As if you have a choice in it! :P [15:13:54] :\ [15:14:30] I meant that if I decide to work on Snuggle, you don't get a choice to say No to me! [15:15:23] Oh. Yes. This is true. [15:18:06] So yeah. I'll just quickly ping the couple people who signed up after september [15:18:26] Thanks. :) [15:20:06] BTW I did make a picture of the algorithm that I was supposed to send to you [15:20:37] It appears that I just hit on the one example that greedy just wouldn't solve, and which mine one solved by all examples [15:21:38] Cool. You should send it over. [15:22:37] On it [15:26:05] Sent [15:29:38] halfak, Pinged the three new sign-ups for snuggle [15:30:53] Cool. Just scanned your email. [15:31:00] I'll have to come back to it later. [15:32:36] Sure [15:32:47] But make sure to do reply to it, haan!