[08:12:53] first, what do i do about the revision I rolled back yesterday next time i want to commit? [08:13:09] The one with the IE blacklisting? [08:13:12] yeah [08:13:35] from the looksof my diff, that change would get committed as well [08:13:37] Well, if your next commit fixes the IE blacklisting thing, you can just commit it along [08:13:50] why was it blacklisted? it might [08:14:11] Because of the insertion-on-top bug [08:14:21] If your commit fixes that bug, undoing the blacklisting is obviously OK [08:14:24] Assuming that's not the case [08:14:49] I made some changes to the textSelection plugin i want to commit, doubt those would have fixed that but I'm not seeing any problems wth it in IE 7/8 [08:14:58] Interesting [08:15:06] So you're saying the bug doesn't happen for you? [08:15:38] Meh never mind all this hypothetical crap, just commit the unblacklisting [08:15:44] yeah it never did locally [08:16:00] And tag the rev with 'scaptrap' in CodeReview along with a comment [08:17:24] ok i'm gonna do that first, then i think i have a few questions about textselection with the iframe in ie [08:17:41] i seem to have it working pretty well with a textarea in 7 and 8 now [08:23:51] RoanKattouw: I lied, I am seeing the insert at top problem with the iframe disabled. The dialogs worked w/o the iframe at one point, right? [08:24:20] Yes [08:24:31] It's probably a selection save/restore thing [08:24:54] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Catrope/Bizarre_browser_bugs#Loss_of_selection_in_content-editable_iframe [08:24:55] ok i was wondering if that was the approach that needs to be taken [08:25:29] Even though the dialog buttons are s and safe for immediate insertion, opening a dialog does cause the textarea to lose focus of course [08:25:44] Well there's getCaretPosition({startAndEnd: true}) in the textSelection plugin as well [08:26:07] k i'll take a look [08:26:17] Rather than saving/restoring on blur/focus (I've tried this once, and it's hell) I recommend you just save upon opening a dialog [08:30:43] Ryan_Lane: Around? [10:08:33] hey adam_miller: can i admire some toolbar reorga deployment on any sandbox? [10:08:54] sure, let me update one [10:15:46] hannes----: i dont think there's enough hyphens in your name [10:16:05] hannes_away: now there definitely isn't [10:16:15] but I updated s-1 for you anyway [11:02:10] hi nkomura [11:02:32] for the meeting: can I use the voip somehow? [11:02:52] hannes_____: You probably can, I'm talking to Trevor about that now [11:03:05] hi hannes_____ [11:03:07] My phone battery is dead so I also wanna go through the WMF phone system [11:03:09] how? which number to call for the conference call? [11:03:16] just holler on the channel when yall are ready for me [11:03:17] RoanKattouw and adam_miller [11:03:20] same here RoanKattouw [11:03:22] we are running a bit late [11:04:03] still wrapping up another meeting [11:04:10] does that mean i need to use it too? [11:04:37] i haven't gotten my VOIP act together yet [11:05:08] Depending on Trevor's phone voodoo we may be able to support both [11:05:22] If not, hannes and I can still use the US call-in number through VOIP [11:05:56] oh, thats right - good idea [11:08:26] adam_miller: I checked S1. nice work! [11:08:50] though u might be right about the right aligment of search&replace [11:10:03] RoanKattouw, can you update the topic? prototype isn't down any more [11:10:17] thanks :) [11:13:05] adam_miller, hannes_____, and RoanKattouw, [11:13:18] are you calling in using internal phone system? [11:13:27] Adam can't [11:13:29] or do you prefer we use the bridge [11:13:31] ? [11:13:36] well i COULD [11:13:42] i'm in on skype right now [11:13:50] If you set up a software phone in the next 2mins? [11:14:06] right! [11:14:19] So your call Adam, do you need the bridge? :) [11:14:40] if it's not a problem i'd like to use it today yet [11:15:41] sure we can [11:16:52] �h...what shall I do? [11:17:01] I'm calling the US bridge through VOIP [11:18:39] ah shoot [11:18:50] i cannot call the 1 877 number [11:18:50] we are not quite ready [11:18:54] sorry guys [11:19:38] RobH: hey rob, are u there? [11:19:52] hannes_____: Works for me [11:19:53] yep, whats up [11:20:15] 18773842311 [11:20:22] hannes_____: That exact number? ---^^ [11:20:25] I cant call the conference number, cause my voip is set to 800 numbers, only. right? [11:20:41] could u change that easily? [11:20:51] RobH: For reference, the conference number is 18773842311 [11:20:59] I am sorry that I didn t think about that earlier [11:21:11] I assumed that would be a 0800# as well [11:21:20] I think 877 numbers are free though [11:21:58] hannes_____: try now [11:22:01] yeah, I think it s free - but my account is limited to 800 numbers [11:22:05] Right [11:22:10] Even though 888 and 877 are also free [11:22:19] RoanKattouw: yes but they have to be included specifically for limited access users [11:22:32] i didnt have 888 and 877 covered since it was a quick add [11:22:35] i just fixed it [11:22:57] maybe not, seeing the error... [11:22:58] checking [11:22:58] nkomura: Please let us know when the conference starts, I was on hold as of 2 mins ago [11:23:46] hmm it doesn t work. call gers disconnected [11:23:53] gets disconnected [11:24:41] hannes_____: try now [11:24:43] it is fixed. [11:24:48] works [11:24:52] will do [11:24:56] thank you! [11:25:07] are multiple folks doing this? [11:25:12] because all those outbound conf bridge calls [11:25:20] are filling the 8 phone lines of the office if so... [11:25:39] I think roan and I do [11:25:42] thats all [11:25:42] (if they are all dialing 800 numbers) [11:26:02] ok, just keep that in mind (where as the conf bridge on our phone system doesnt need any outside lines) [11:26:28] RobH: Yeah but we like easy [11:26:40] Next week Adam will have his VOIP act together and we can all use the internal phone system [11:26:48] It's only two calls BTW [11:27:00] no worries, was just saying keep it in mind [11:27:02] ;] [11:30:25] hey guys [11:30:33] we need to reschedule our meeting today [11:30:38] we won't be able to wrap up [11:31:00] pdhanda: we have to reschedule our meeting [11:31:01] Oh [11:31:17] ok [11:31:42] well it was fun listening to the hold music anywya [11:32:46] sorry [11:34:39] hannes-_-: we need to postpone our meeting [11:34:50] we do? [11:34:52] ok [11:34:59] to when? [11:37:02] i need to look into everyone's schedule [11:38:16] so this mean another day? [11:39:18] tomorrow and thursday works for me - thoug it would be awesome if we could start at 11:00/20:00 if possible [11:40:02] yes it will be another day [11:40:13] but thursday won't work for parul [11:45:02] how about wednesday??? everyone loves wednesday [11:45:39] thursday wouldn't work for me either [11:46:13] I can do wednesay [11:46:29] most of us in the office have a pre-scheduled meeting already [11:54:19] let me look into it [11:54:38] how late can you meet on wed, hannes_away and RoanKattouw? [11:56:12] We have the 9-9:30 meeting with Mark too, right? [11:56:56] Then there's a 10-noon Tech WG meeting [11:57:02] So presumably we're looking at post-lunch anyway [12:27:10] parutron: So atglenn is asking me about introducing subgroups in the special characters thingy to support certain things the Greek Wiktionary needs [12:27:20] See e.g. http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools , third item in the dropdown [12:27:49] Normally I'd just sort them by alphabet, but there's 16 variants of capital alpha (A) alone and some of them are barely distinguishable [12:27:54] Having subgrouping with subgroup names would help [12:28:04] So what I'm looking for I guess is input on how to do that design-wise [12:28:12] hi RoanKattouw [12:28:37] I'm still with you that subgroups in principle are undesirable and should be avoided and managed to do that with the stock characters, but these are just too similar :D [12:29:00] So if I implement a subgrouping feature the stock toolbar wouldn't use it, only community-added stuff might [12:39:11] huh [12:39:20] well that was a short conversation :-D [12:40:11] ^^ [12:40:28] Isn't your desk like next to hers BTW? [12:40:30] (I think they were in a meeting and had to move) [12:40:45] yeah, but she wasn't there [12:40:54] now I have a meeting in like 10 mins [13:08:56] anyone here has knowledge about {{PLURAL}}? [13:09:56] Yes [13:10:35] i have a bug here asking whether it is possible to use PLURAL with multilingual wikis, so specify which language to use [13:10:41] we cannot do that now right? [13:11:14] Talk to the people in #mediawiki-i18n [13:11:18] This is beyond me [13:11:32] ok, thanks [13:11:50] I know how PLURAL works but I can't answer questions about its implementation or extending it [13:22:21] RoanKattouw: where do the table dialog settings live? [13:22:45] Toolbar.js [14:26:30] RoanKattouw: your phone keeps calling trevor's line [14:26:57] That's because I'm looking for him [14:27:04] Or rather, JeroenDeDauw is [14:27:32] Are you picking up then hanging up his phone? :) [14:28:27] Either way, if and when Trevor gets back tell him to get on IRC [14:28:39] He hasn't been in here all day as far as I remember [14:31:06] haha, I picked up and answered his phone but didn't hear anything [14:31:28] *RoanKattouw curses mic plug [14:31:35] Turns out it wasn't quite connected [14:31:41] Happened before [14:38:36] In any case, does anyone here know why you can't add SkinTemplateNavigation stuff to special pages? [14:50:32] I think only Trevor knows [14:50:36] And he's disappeared, apparently [14:58:54] RoanKattouw: FYI, there is a certain ordering for diacretics etc. we recently introduced that in the english wikipedia. [14:59:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Edittools#Arrangement_of_Latin_characters_below_edit_window [14:59:48] thedj: The 2-dimensional thing isn't really supported in the specialchars toolbar ATM [15:00:01] It currently sorts alphabetically, you may have seen that [15:00:24] yeah, we flattened the ordering to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools [15:01:12] thedj: "Also I point out that we cannot influence what the usability team does on this, with the new WikiEditor." --> false [15:01:24] You can modify the ordering in local JS [15:01:30] Probably not pleasant, but possible [15:01:39] And of course you can try to convince us of your ideas [15:02:11] thedj: Ah that looks very similar to the way WikiEditor currently does it [15:02:27] The diacritic order may not be equal but that's probably not a big deal [15:02:35] And we don't include unaccented characters [15:28:26] hey parutron , mind if I join you and howie at 3? [15:28:57] *atglenn wonders what the subgroups thing will be like [16:29:35] RoanKattouw_away: you asleep? [16:30:06] I'm here [16:30:18] I turned on some number crunching then went to take a shower [16:48:40] RoanKattouw: Do you have windows? [16:49:09] Not on this machine [16:49:13] But I do on my other one [16:49:27] Ok. Cause you'll need it for VMware... unfortunately [16:50:05] RoanKattouw: I'm going to be home in about an hour, will you still be around? [16:50:30] No, I'll be asleep [16:50:38] Is there another time we can talk about Nagios checks and notifications? [16:50:52] ok. let me give you a password now, and I'll make the account later [16:52:05] yeah. I'll be around all day friday [16:52:30] OK I'll try to be on IRC on Friday but can't promise [16:53:31] RoanKattouw: Yeah, my availability is kind of sucky, as I switched to 10 hour days to have fridays available :) [16:53:52] Right [16:54:00] But this Friday is Good Friday, that's a holiday here [16:54:11] ah. right [16:54:16] I'll be away for most of the Easter weekend anyway [16:55:43] ok. I'll see if I can make some time another day