[00:00:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/PrefSwitch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26654
[00:00:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Have you checked if there is unit test converge for touched functionality (and if not considered add..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26457
[00:00:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26457
[00:01:04] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) mediawiki/extensions/CreditSource.git -> mediawiki/extensions/CreditsSource.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41110  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[00:03:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[00:04:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Remove benefits text; minor CSS and text tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[00:11:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[00:28:33] <feob>	 I have a variable $img which contains the realtive url of an image uploaded to my wiki (e.g. '/mywiki/images/a/b/c/image.jpg' ). What is a safe way to reference the file?
[00:28:54] <feob>	 getimagesize(getenv("DOCUMENT_ROOT").$img) does not seem to work.
[00:31:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "reinstating Change Ifb1f6125..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28473
[00:32:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Already reviewed and previously merged:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28473
[00:32:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28473
[00:36:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Contact us from doesn't reference project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41140 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (tfinc)
[00:38:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Cannot open sections on various browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41124  (10Jon)
[00:44:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:45:00] <preilly>	 who is the best person to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28433/ ?
[00:46:10] <Reedy>	 Roan possibly. Trevor and Timo might have some input too..
[00:46:29] <Brooke>	 Trevor has already reviewed it.
[00:46:39] <Brooke>	 I was going to suggest Roan or Krinkle as well.
[00:46:45] <Brooke>	 But both are fairly busy these days, I think.
[00:48:35] <Reedy>	 half of the commit is just changing indenting
[00:50:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Looks fine mostly. Can we Invert the conditional in the loop to save adding another level of indenting?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28433
[00:51:05] <Reedy>	 if not, continue;
[00:55:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Work in progress on ResourceLoader mobilification" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28433
[00:56:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28433
[00:59:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (b)
[01:05:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40270  (10tanuki47)
[01:08:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install RandomRootPage on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16655  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:14:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia wikis need better issue reporting system - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27852  (10mybugs.mail)
[01:24:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[01:26:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend: Reference in summary section comes up but shows empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41118   +easy (10Jon)
[01:26:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Beta buttons should have title attributes for voice over software - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40332   +easy (10Jon)
[01:28:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Beta buttons should have title attributes for voice over software - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40332  +comment (10Jon)
[01:30:05] <sumanah>	 robla: ping re  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41130  "Thumbnail generation broken on Wikimedia Commons" - are you already aware of this?
[01:30:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142 normal; Wikimedia: IRC; (dzahn)
[01:31:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142  (10Daniel Zahn)
[01:33:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "DO NOT MERGE: POC of direct banner loading" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28235
[01:34:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) mediawiki/extensions/CreditSource.git -> mediawiki/extensions/CreditsSource.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41110  +comment (10Chad H.)
[01:35:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Thumbnail generation broken on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41130  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:38:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) merge wikivoyage channels during migration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41143 normal; Wikimedia: IRC; (dzahn)
[01:40:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Seeking in video files (range requests) does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40779  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:43:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144 normal; Wikimedia: IRC; (dzahn)
[01:45:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Handling of extra parameters in polygons,etc." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28478
[02:32:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40270  (10morningaltair)
[02:37:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Remove benefits text; minor CSS and text tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[02:40:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Drecodeam; "Defined functions for adding Map to every image detail section" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12353
[02:43:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Drecodeam; "Sorry, I had been away for a while due to my university internship. I have fixed the issue commented..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12353
[03:05:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[03:06:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[03:19:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Adding a final donation status log line, and fixing a couple minor bugs that this surfaced" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28480
[03:24:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28480
[03:25:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) user name confusion in gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41145 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (dzahn)
[03:27:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) user name confusion in gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41145  normal->minor (10Daniel Zahn)
[03:40:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fatal installer error when using Oracle DB (HTTP 500 error) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41146 critical; MediaWiki: Database; (andrew)
[03:46:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Propose suitable keywords for comments linking Gerrit changes and patch attachments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40985  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[04:38:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28454
[05:08:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40270  (10tanuki47)
[05:44:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Load font of language displayed in recent languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40874  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[05:50:35] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Load font of language displayed in recent languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40874  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[05:55:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "refactor banners to make use of generic classes" [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28481
[05:55:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "remove invalid 'align' attribute" [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28482
[05:59:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Loosen Firefox version requirement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41147 normal; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; (liangent)
[06:00:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Clicking jump back a section doesn't work on WP7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40987   +easy (10Jon)
[06:12:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Please create a component for gerrit-stats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41148 normal; Analytics: ReportCard; (quimgil)
[06:14:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28445
[06:32:22] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Load font of language displayed in recent languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40874  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:37:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Give user a better notice if VisualEditor doesn't support the browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41149 normal; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; (liangent)
[06:38:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Give user a better notice if VisualEditor doesn't support the browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41149  +comment (10Liangent)
[07:02:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Remove benefits text; minor CSS and text tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[07:05:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgAutoConfirmCount to 10 for Japanese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40270  (10morningaltair)
[07:10:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Fix typo: Add a space between "theactual"" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28486
[07:15:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Move text with mouse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41150 enhancement; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (nicolas.raoul)
[07:18:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Linktrail is wrongly applied to CJK characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41151 normal; Parsoid: General; (liangent)
[07:22:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) URL-encode non-ASCII characters in <a href=" "> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41152 normal; Parsoid: General; (liangent)
[07:46:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Tooltips for Remove/OK/Cancel in link dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41153 enhancement; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (nicolas.raoul)
[07:46:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tooltips for Remove/OK/Cancel in link dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41153  +comment (10Nicolas Raoul)
[07:46:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tooltips for Remove/OK/Cancel in link dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41153  (10Nicolas Raoul)
[08:01:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Backspace can't remove Preformatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41154 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (nicolas.raoul)
[08:06:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OOM while thumbnailing huge progressive / interlaced JPEGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17645  (10esby)
[08:09:44] <kaste>	 Is it possible to run multiple wikis from on source without symlinking? What's the recommended method to do this?
[08:09:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155 normal; MediaWiki: ContentHandler; (listenleser)
[08:09:52] <kaste>	 s/on/one
[08:15:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OOM while thumbnailing huge progressive / interlaced JPEGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17645  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[08:21:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database abstraction layer prevents reading of complex structures. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37777  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:21:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database abstraction layer prevents reading of complex structures. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37777  04BLOCKER->normal (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:23:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database abstraction layer prevents reading of complex structures. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37777  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:31:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Yann Forget)
[08:32:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "For Wikimedia, it makes sense to set $wgContentHandlerUseDB to false per default. For everyone else,..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28445
[08:36:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 41137) Special:AggregateGroups does nothing" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28487
[08:36:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Cleanups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28488
[08:36:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Prevent page scrolling when adding new groups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28489
[08:38:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Special:AggregateGroups does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41137  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:39:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Aside from the trailing ws, lgtm." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28488
[08:41:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Cleanups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28488
[08:42:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Prevent page scrolling when adding new groups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28489
[08:43:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Link to action=info in toolbox should have an ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41156 minor; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (listenleser)
[08:44:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28489
[08:44:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28488
[08:44:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28487
[08:49:33] <liangent>	 any AWB developer around?
[08:49:49] <liangent>	 Reedy: ^ ?
[08:59:46] <Canis>	 hi
[08:59:52] <Canis>	 can't download extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/MediaWiki_extension_download_error
[09:00:00] <Canis>	 the same error as was there
[09:00:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:00:01] <Canis>	 what to do?
[09:00:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:00:56] <Canis>	 Attempt at downloading ConfirmEdit ends with "error: Invalid response from remote subversion client"
[09:01:04] <Canis>	 and no other info is given
[09:01:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incorrect diff display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41157 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (niklas.laxstrom)
[09:04:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) result format rss / not working as expected (1.8 beta 1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40748  (10Nemo_bis)
[09:04:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugs affecting translatewiki.net (errors from MediaWiki master) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39480  (10Nemo_bis)
[09:06:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:07:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) EntityObject::equals should make more consistent, strict comparison of entities ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40295  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:08:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) SearchEngineTest fails with items in main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40716  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:08:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) RevisionStorageTest fails with items in main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40715  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:11:06] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:11:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "tests for client recent changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27276
[09:12:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27276
[09:12:14] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:13:39] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) {{#set:mydate=20 jul 1283}} ...-> #show 13 jul 1283 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41126  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:13:53] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:13:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{#set:mydate=20 jul 1283}} ...-> #show 13 jul 1283 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41126  (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:13:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Siebrand: those messages are so because extensions can't actually specify the message keys for them,..." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26970
[09:14:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{#set:mydate=20 jul 1283}} ...-> #show 13 jul 1283 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41126  (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:15:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Liangent)
[09:16:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invite editor to update sitelink after page move on client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41038  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[09:16:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) result format rss / not working as expected (1.8 beta 1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40748  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[09:16:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some Julian dates are internally confused with Gregorian dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41126  summary (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:20:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) localizing numbers in wikidata input form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41007   +need-volunteer (10denny vrandecic)
[09:23:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: leucosticte; "Fix typo: Add a space between "theactual"" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28486
[09:26:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) It's unclear which language should be used in Special:CreateItem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41001  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[09:27:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) It's unclear which language should be used in Special:CreateItem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41001  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:28:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update.php fails after namespace changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40977  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:29:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving generating of HTML from EntityView into more modular views for each data type (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40885  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:29:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "DO NOT MERGE: POC of direct banner loading" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28235
[09:32:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set user language to current UI language when creating accounts. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40379   +need-volunteer (10denny vrandecic)
[09:33:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor DifferenceEnginge et.al. to make parts reusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36902  -wikidata  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:33:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor DifferenceEnginge et.al. to make parts reusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36902  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:36:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 41094) Infinite loop in MediaWikiMessageChecker" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28490
[09:36:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Maximum execution time exceeded in MediaWikiMessageChecker.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41094  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:37:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Fix various boundary cases in IcuCollation::findLowerBound()" [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28491
[09:37:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Move some functions to a new class: ArrayUtils" [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28492
[09:37:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: leucosticte; "I made the change to the awkward wording ("is nonexistent"->"does not exist") that Siebrand suggeste..." [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28486
[09:41:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Liangent; "This is just a cherry-pick from master." [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28491
[09:43:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Move some functions to a new class: ArrayUtils" [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28492
[09:47:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:50:54] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Deleting selection does not delete selected list bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41158 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (nicolas.raoul)
[09:51:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deleting selection does not delete selected list bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41158  (10Nicolas Raoul)
[09:51:49] <tale>	 kaste: Have you read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family ?
[09:53:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Move some functions to a new class: ArrayUtils" [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28492
[09:55:33] <kaste>	 no tale i haven't looks like what i'm after but didn't thind. Thank you very much
[10:05:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "DO NOT MERGE: POC of direct banner loading" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28235
[10:13:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Test failing?" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28490
[10:14:29] <mc_fail>	 hi guys, does it possible to create a page with dynamic table for display some short informaton about page from category?
[10:19:09] <mc_fail>	 for example, if i have a many pages for category srv, every page created from template and contains a ip= and hostname= string, and i need create a page with table with this data
[10:19:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) beta autoupdater does not work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40983  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:20:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) beta autoupdater does not work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40983  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:27:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) beta autoupdater does not work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40983  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:27:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Rethink shared table configuration setup for synching repo and client (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38972  (10denny vrandecic)
[10:28:44] <leucosticte>	 mc_fail: wouldn't semantic mediawiki be one way of doing that?
[10:30:48] <leucosticte>	 or maybe this extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28third-party%29
[10:32:03] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 !DPL | mc_fail
[10:32:03] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !dpl, 
[10:32:18] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 !dpl | mc_fail
[10:32:18] <wm-bot>	 mc_fail: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[10:32:24] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 !smw | mc_fail
[10:32:24] <wm-bot>	 mc_fail: SemanticMediaWiki is an awesome extension that lets you connect wiki pages with semantic relations. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki> and <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/>. Mailing lists are available at <http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=147937>
[10:37:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28402
[10:41:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:41:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Many messages missing message documentation and meaningless qqq content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36607  (10[[kgh]])
[10:42:28] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Call to a member function getParserOutput() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41127  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:43:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128  normal->major (10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:43:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not parsing js/css pages as wikitext breaks many applications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:45:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Integrate "tool tip" and notification into the new UI (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39154  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[10:45:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) 'Create' link jumps to right of 'Watch' (the star) when VE is loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41159 normal; VisualEditor: General; (liangent)
[10:48:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "link to entity on repo with or without items in main ns" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28498
[10:48:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) LinkTrailed links appear differently before and after save-reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41160 normal; VisualEditor: General; (liangent)
[10:49:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Move GeoMath extension into MapSources extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MapSources] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28348
[10:49:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Monospace font setting overridden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39560  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[10:52:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "I'm not participating in the message key bikeshed. So with them whatever you think is needed." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26970
[10:54:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "link to entity on repo with or without items in main ns" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28498
[10:54:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28486
[10:55:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Re-edit of link trailed link is broken when some characters are removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41161 normal; VisualEditor: General; (liangent)
[10:56:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Re-edit of link trailed link is broken when some characters are removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41161  +comment (10Liangent)
[10:57:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Re-edit of link trailed link is broken when some characters are delinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41161  summary (10Liangent)
[11:00:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Many messages missing message documentation and meaningless qqq content (SRF 1.8 rc2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36607  summary; +comment (10[[kgh]])
[11:00:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "Tidying extension" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedSites] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28360
[11:00:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "[Bug 41128] Handle null content in action=raw." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28501
[11:02:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 41094) Infinite loop in MediaWikiMessageChecker" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28490
[11:03:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:04:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28490
[11:10:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[11:10:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "recent changes comments from external changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28365
[11:10:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128   +patch-in-gerrit (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:14:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[11:16:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Snapshot of MediaWiki extensions aren't downloaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41162 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ExtensionDistributor; (aranet100)
[11:19:08] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Database abstraction layer prevents reading of complex structures. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37777  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[11:23:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OOM while thumbnailing huge progressive / interlaced JPEGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17645  +comment (10Marco)
[11:26:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "move autocomment to wikibase lib" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28502
[11:26:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki/extensions/CreditSource.git -> mediawiki/extensions/CreditsSource.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41110  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:28:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader for handling HTML building blocks for the entity UI (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40887  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:28:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add statement to an item and select the property (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40957  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:28:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add first value to a statement (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40956  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:29:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Replace wbsetitem with wbsetentity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40561  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:29:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invite editor to update sitelink after page move on client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41038  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:30:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use new changesDatabase setting instead of wgSharedTables on test clients - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41112  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:30:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[11:31:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki/extensions/CreditSource.git -> mediawiki/extensions/CreditsSource.git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41110  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:32:38] <kaste>	 tale:  Ok i assume this is beyond the scope of mediawiki, but is it possible to somehow have per instance extensions? The Problem is some extensions (e.g. semantic bundle) bring their own settings in a subdir and that wouldn't be dispatched by the drupal approach which looks most promising 
[11:32:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Auto-generated documentation for JavaScript code based on already existing doxygen comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40657  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:34:42] <liangent>	 Reedy: around?
[11:35:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim - autocomment needs to be added, care about rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41163  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:35:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Input method integration with ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28500
[11:37:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbgetclaims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41164  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:37:36] <Dereckson>	 kaste: define "per instance"
[11:37:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbremoveclaim - autocomment required - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41165  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:38:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbsetclaimvalue - autocomment required - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41166  (10abraham.taherivand)
[11:43:00] * jubo2  inserts a cheezy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_doughnut into the server

[11:43:57] <jubo2>	 In addition to winning 98% of argument arguments cheezy meat pie has other powers
[11:58:50] <kaste>	 well we host > 10 wikis on the same box and most of them use a handfull of extensions. I am sick of updating them all, that's why i am trying to consolidate them all into one source tree like on the wiki family home page. The problem is most of the work goes into the extensions
[11:59:41] <kaste>	 So i guess i could have a shared dir for all the wikis that don't have stupid extension which ship their own configs, but the moment of them is present i need to duplicate it as far as i can see
[12:00:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Move GeoMath extension into MapSources extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MapSources] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28348
[12:01:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Move GeoMath extension into MapSources extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MapSources] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28348
[12:03:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not override parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  normal->major;  +code-update-regression; summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[12:03:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  summary (10Krinkle)
[12:04:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  (10Krinkle)
[12:04:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Krinkle)
[12:08:19] <Yaron>	 kaste: you should be able to run Semantic Bundle from a shared code directory, just like any other extensions.
[12:09:14] <Yaron>	 If there are specific settings you only want for certain wikis, you can add that in LocalSettings.php, in the same big "if" statement where the DB, etc. are set for the different wikis.
[12:09:59] <Reedy>	 liangent: ?
[12:12:27] <liangent>	 Reedy: where should I report AWB bugs?
[12:12:32] <liangent>	 or directly talk to you?
[12:12:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Deleting selection does not delete selected list bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41158  summary (10Krinkle)
[12:13:44] <Reedy>	 WP:AWB/B on enwiki
[12:15:03] <liangent>	 Reedy: even if it doesn't happen on enwiki?
[12:15:08] <Reedy>	 yeah
[12:20:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Revert excessive indenting from 28433" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28503
[12:21:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Dereckson; "Test done." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28193
[12:21:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Dereckson; "Test done." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28195
[12:22:59] <liangent>	 Reedy: I filed one but I can't fill all fields. I got this bug only by observing others' actions with AWB.
[12:23:11] <Reedy>	 it's alright
[12:28:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:34:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation to the latest version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  +comment (10Jérémie Roquet)
[12:35:44] <kaste>	 Yaron: i use a different approach, it's described here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_3:_Drupal-style_sites
[12:36:01] <kaste>	 setting up one giant driver file seemed excessive and error prone
[12:36:38] <Yaron>	 kaste: yeah, that's fine; so put the settings into each wiki's file - it's essentially the same thing.
[12:36:58] <Yaron>	 You can still have all the extensions in one place.
[12:40:08] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Snapshot of MediaWiki extensions aren't downloaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41162  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:40:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41081  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:41:36] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) [Regression] ExtensionDistributor: SVN-only extensions no longer downloadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38188  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:41:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot download extensions that are no longer in trunk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16424  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:42:27] <kaste>	 ah yes, i was blind, thank you very much
[12:43:54] <Nikerabbit>	 hello
[12:44:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (haqmar)
[12:45:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "[Bug 41127] Handle non-existign content in WikiPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28504
[12:46:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getParserOutput() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41127   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:47:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  +comment (10Liangent)
[12:49:59] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  normal->15enhancement;  +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[12:52:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) /w/api.php Exception from line 104 of /www/translatewiki.net/w/includes/WikiPage.php: Invalid or virtual namespace -1 given. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41168 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (niklas.laxstrom)
[12:52:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  +comment (10haqmar)
[12:56:34] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) out of captcha images; cannot create accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41121  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[12:56:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:08:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Page source is no longer trimmed from trailing whitespaces on save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41169 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (danny.b)
[13:09:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Books rendered without content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40900  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[13:22:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Transaction warnings during update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41170 normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jeroen_dedauw)
[13:23:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "[Bug 41155] Record links on CSS/JS pages in the DB." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[13:23:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:27:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24995
[13:28:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page source is no longer trimmed from trailing whitespaces on save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41169  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[13:29:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "The link to the item (the one withe the ID) is still not using the appropriate namespace." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28498
[13:29:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 39153) making site links table sortable" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28508
[13:30:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Books rendered without content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40900  +comment (10Siebrand)
[13:33:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Input method integration with ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28500
[13:34:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24995
[13:38:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) User::edits() and User::incEditCount() should be refactored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41171 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hashar)
[13:38:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Transaction warnings during update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41170  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:39:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) upgradeRow() constantly triggered for invalid SVG and DjVu files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41090  normal->major;  +performance (10Andre Klapper)
[13:40:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24995
[13:41:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Major Improvements in Author Registration process" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26952
[13:45:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Should we add a release notes?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26822
[13:46:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "> We can not set an alt text using  'alt' => 0"" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21897
[13:47:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jens Ohlig; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24995
[13:49:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:ActiveUsers query is very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41078   +performance (10Andre Klapper)
[13:49:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Books rendered without content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40900  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[13:49:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "[Bug 41170] Don't start transaction during db update." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28509
[13:50:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Transaction warnings during update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41170   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:55:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Use new ContentGetParserOutput hook." [mediawiki/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28201
[13:56:11] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Some unstable test cases are in master - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40997  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:56:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/Insider] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28510
[13:56:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28511
[13:57:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/Insider] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28510
[13:57:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Add EntityFactory::isPrefixedId and test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28350
[13:58:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:59:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28511
[14:02:08] <Ulfr>	 Hello all, I've got what I hope is a quick question for a master of the arcane art of jQuery
[14:02:22] <Ulfr>	 I've even got my sacrificial chicken for the jQuery gods
[14:03:25] <Nikerabbit>	 kwak
[14:03:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "I'll change the handling of unprefixed IDs globally. That will make this patch obsolete, so let's no..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28368
[14:04:09] <Ulfr>	 Working on a program that iterates through a list of questions using a .on('click' event
[14:04:23] <Ulfr>	 but I can't get it to wait until the array is populated by other functions
[14:04:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some unstable test cases are in master - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40997  +comment (10Liangent)
[14:04:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add EntityFactory::isPrefixedId and test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28350
[14:04:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Major Improvements in Author Registration process" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26952
[14:04:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Removed unused use statements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28512
[14:05:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List of components and bugs by chronological order for each component in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36574  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[14:07:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28350
[14:08:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28501
[14:09:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Books rendered without content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40900  +comment (10Siebrand)
[14:13:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(bBug 41127) Handle non-existent content in WikiPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28504
[14:13:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28504
[14:14:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:14:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "[Bug 41128] Handle null content in action=raw." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28513
[14:15:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Addressed Hashar's comments, using "real" edits now." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:15:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "[Bug 41127] Handle non-existign content in WikiPage" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28514
[14:17:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Call to a member function getModel() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41128  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:17:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Call to a member function getParserOutput() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41127  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:17:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28513
[14:17:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28514
[14:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:19:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Adding project identification variable to AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41172 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (Ajraddatz)
[14:24:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fixup $dbw->commit() with no $dbw->begin() counterpart" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28515
[14:25:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Nice. Here are some more comments for things that could use some improvement." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:26:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Finally! Great job!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28508
[14:26:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28508
[14:30:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28511
[14:31:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Moodbar on nlwiki redirects to enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41173 normal; Wikimedia: User survey; (mail)
[14:31:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28515
[14:32:50] <Ulfr>	 Nevermind. Figured it out. :D
[14:35:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Actually, remove transactions, they're not rolling back on errors" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28516
[14:36:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28516
[14:36:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update ProofreadPage to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28517
[14:36:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Introduced by Ie98aec33 " [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28515
[14:37:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28517
[14:37:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Sam removed the ->commit() with Ic04930da" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28515
[14:44:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28382
[14:45:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Jenkins: write new jobs for Zuul - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40684  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:46:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:48:09] <Dereckson>	 liangent: I'm writing a unit test to detect spaces in wmg namespaces variables, it's the second time I let a space.
[14:48:14] <Dereckson>	 thank you to have noticed
[14:48:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "*** awards Hoo man the "I write unit tests for MediaWiki" badge ***" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:48:56] <Dereckson>	 unit testing is the 14:45-UTC topic :)
[14:49:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Unit test for User::getEditCount" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:49:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Addressed Hashar's comments" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28479
[14:50:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Handle un-prefixed IDs passed to ApiGetEntities." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28518
[14:55:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174 critical; MediaWiki: File management; (Spinningspark.wiki)
[15:04:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DSR on templates in tables seems to be off - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41057  (10ssastry)
[15:11:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) out of captcha images; cannot create accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41121  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:12:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 41171) Refactor User::edits() and User::incEditCount()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28519
[15:13:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Contact us from doesn't reference project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41140  +comment (10Jon)
[15:14:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label. (DO NOT MERGE!)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28511
[15:14:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:14:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 41171) Refactor User::edits() and User::incEditCount()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28519
[15:15:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "White spaces" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28519
[15:15:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "First version of a special page for setting a label." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28511
[15:17:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Demon; "Link $wgVersion on Special:Version to Release Notes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16433
[15:20:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "PS5 fixes a couple of things:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16433
[15:25:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  (10Andre Klapper)
[15:25:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Andre Klapper)
[15:27:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:31:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175 minor; MediaWiki: User preferences; (sam)
[15:32:35] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; Ignore this comment (aka [[bugzilla:22094]]); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105664#c33078>
[15:33:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[Ficheiro:Flag of Spain.svg|30px]] does not render an image at pt.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41088  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:33:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[15:33:26] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) 22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png broken as an HTML is returned instead of a PNG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40980  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:33:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:33:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[15:33:52] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Thumbnail generation broken on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41130  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:33:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:34:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) spinner doesn't stop after selecting link target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41176 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (lydia.pintscher)
[15:35:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:35:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Representation of data values in JS" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28309
[15:36:00] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) [[Ficheiro:Flag of Spain.svg|30px]] does not render an image at pt.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41088  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:36:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:37:00] <Ulfr>	 Is there any way to completely disable wiki parsing on certain html output?
[15:37:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Contact us from doesn't reference project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41140  normal->15enhancement (10Jon)
[15:37:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[15:37:41] <DanielK_WMDE>	 !html | Ulfr
[15:37:41] <wm-bot>	 Ulfr: For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[15:38:11] <Ulfr>	 DanielK_WMDE: No no, I've already got my users safely restricted. I'm making widgets using jQuery and something in wiki is adding garbage in
[15:39:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 40693) Refactor font selector creation code" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28520
[15:40:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User::edits() and User::incEditCount() should be refactored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41171   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Hoo man)
[15:40:20] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Ulfr: are you using the Gadgets extension?
[15:40:33] <Ulfr>	 DanielK_WMDE: I believe so
[15:40:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor font selector creation code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40693   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[15:40:48] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Ulfr: well, where and how are you wriuting the widgets?
[15:41:04] <Ulfr>	 DanielK_WMDE: http://wikidoc.org/index.php?title=Widget:Sandbox
[15:41:21] <Ulfr>	 and I'm calling it on my user page here: http://wikidoc.org/index.php/User:Matt_Pijoan
[15:41:35] <Ulfr>	 something's adding in </div> and <br> tags EVERYWHERE
[15:42:03] <DanielK_WMDE>	 you are using both, the Widgets *and* the Gadgets extensions?... well, I guess you can ;)
[15:42:15] <DanielK_WMDE>	 don't know about Widgets, though, sorry
[15:42:22] <Ulfr>	 DanielK_WMDE: Would a gadget do what I wanted?
[15:42:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  +comment (10Peter Symonds)
[15:42:48] <DanielK_WMDE>	 not sure... gadgets are more like greasmonkey. per user stuff. not really for embedding in pages.
[15:43:14] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Ulfr: anyway - try to remove all blank lines and all indentation from your code. then it should work ;)
[15:43:26] <Ulfr>	 -.-;
[15:43:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fatal error with on SMW 1.8 beta2 when viewing a property page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41177 critical; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mitchell_neill)
[15:43:44] <DanielK_WMDE>	 just an idea... it's a common workaround for a problem with block-level processing of stuff in custom <tags>.
[15:43:58] <DanielK_WMDE>	 i'm just guessing. i don't anything about how widgets are handled
[15:44:23] <hoo>	 Ulfr: Try adding <nowiki> in the Widget maybe?
[15:44:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (sam)
[15:44:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:44:39] <Ulfr>	 hoo: Just encapsulate the whole thing?
[15:44:54] <hoo>	 at best it within the <script>
[15:44:59] <hoo>	 like //<nowiki>
[15:45:06] <hoo>	 and end with //</nowiki>
[15:45:35] <Isarra>	 Anyone have the spare time to help me try to commit and push something with git?
[15:45:39] <Yaron>	 I'm trying to create a tag function (as in, <abc>) that can be used in templates, so it can do variable substition on its parameters, but doesn't otherwise parse its parameters.
[15:45:39] <Yaron>	 Does anyone know how to do that?
[15:46:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Seems good to me, but some follow up work is needed:" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28309
[15:46:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28309
[15:46:32] <hoo>	 Isarra: We don't allow normal pushs... everything has to go through gerrit :|
[15:46:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[15:47:16] <Ulfr>	 hoo: No such luck ><;
[15:47:30] <Isarra>	 hoo: Through gerrit, then. I don't understand this well enough to really know what it means either way, though.
[15:48:07] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Boolean properties are dropped when SMW_refreshData.php is run - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38920  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[15:48:15] <hoo>	 Ulfr: For me the raw source of http://wikidoc.org/index.php/User:Matt_Pijoan looks fine
[15:48:29] <hoo>	 Isarra: Ok, have you read our instructions?
[15:48:38] <hoo>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow
[15:49:04] <Ulfr>	 hoo: Really? Main Categories is supposed to be on the left in a div, Sub Cat on the right in another div. I just see two random things on the right and everything else on the left
[15:49:27] <Ulfr>	 (you have to push the button)
[15:49:56] <Isarra>	 hoo: Aye, but I would just feel better if someone could walk me through some parts of it. Being bold never was my strong suit.
[15:50:27] <hoo>	 Isarra: I'm not an expert either, but I'll do my best ;)
[15:50:31] <hoo>	 Ulfr: mhm, yes
[15:50:39] <Yaron>	 Never mind, I figured it out.
[15:50:44] <Isarra>	 <3
[15:51:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Denny Vrandecic; "A label for the commons media data type" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28521
[15:51:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) flvplayer spews php warnings on import and gives fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38573  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:51:52] <Ulfr>	 hoo: I'll come back to it later. I have things that are way easier to deal with until lunch xD
[15:51:59] <Ulfr>	 hoo: Thank you very much though!
[15:52:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  +comment (10Krenair)
[15:52:40] <hoo>	 Ulfr: I still don't see how the wiki is breaking the JS, it looks exactly like the source of the widget for me... bye ;)
[15:53:03] <Ulfr>	 No no, the JS works well, it's the presentation that's borked
[15:53:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Andre Klapper)
[15:53:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  normal->major (10Andre Klapper)
[15:53:22] <Ulfr>	 Like, I want to wrap some of the stuff JS is putting out in div layers, and random tags are being applied from left field
[15:54:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/Insider] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28510
[15:54:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Move GeoMath extension into MapSources extension" [mediawiki/extensions/MapSources] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28348
[15:54:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove use of Language::numParams" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28522
[15:54:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedArticles] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28523
[15:55:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28522
[15:55:17] <Isarra>	 hoo: So if I want to make a change than requires changes to both core and to an extension, would that mean two... whatever you call that... thingies?
[15:55:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Revert "Remove use of Language::numParams"" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28524
[15:56:23] <hoo>	 Isarra: Yes, extensions adn the core are completly separate
[15:56:38] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  +comment (10Krenair)
[15:56:56] <Isarra>	 How do you do that?
[15:57:35] <hoo>	 Isarra: Do what? Change something and push it to gerrit (for review)?
[15:57:41] <Isarra>	 I... guess.
[15:58:18] <Isarra>	 And shouldn't they be tied together somehow? The core one would break the extension, and the extension one would break it without the core one... is that just a bad corner to get into?
[15:58:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:59:00] <hoo>	 A core changes mustn't break a (more or less) up to date extension
[15:59:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:59:10] <hoo>	 we always keep backwards compatibility
[15:59:44] <Isarra>	 Well, that's part of what the extension change is for.
[16:00:00] <Isarra>	 Although it doesn't so much break it as just make it look bad, but since this entire thing is just styling tweaks...
[16:00:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  (10Andre Klapper)
[16:00:46] <hoo>	 Isarra: Sure, but we have to think about extensions that we don't have in git/ svn as well... those may still use deprecated methods
[16:01:11] <Isarra>	 But is there any realistic way to actually do that?
[16:01:32] <hoo>	 Do what?
[16:01:39] <Isarra>	 Consider the others.
[16:01:46] <hoo>	 but I don't think you have to care to much for now... as told, all things go through code review first, so you can hardly break anything ;)
[16:01:53] <hoo>	 Be bold
[16:01:57] <hoo>	 Yes, we actually do that
[16:02:09] <Isarra>	 Well, part of the problem is I don't have the faintest inkling what I'm doing.
[16:02:39] <Isarra>	 Another part of the problem is that this is an incredibly stupid workaround for something that should not require working around at all but for some reason html is incredibly silly.
[16:03:35] <hoo>	 Isarra: Do you have developer access yet?
[16:03:35] <Isarra>	 It's this. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40610
[16:03:50] <Isarra>	 I think so.
[16:04:11] <Isarra>	 That was something about labs and stuff?
[16:04:23] <hoo>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access that one, yes ;)
[16:05:35] <Dereckson>	 liangent: test were useful
[16:05:35] <Dereckson>	 [wgMetaNamespace] Namespace names must use underscores, not spaces at 'bdwikimedia' => 'উইকিমিডিয়া বাংলাদেশ')
[16:05:47] <Dereckson>	 got another one
[16:05:54] <hoo>	 Isarra: Ok, so what do you have so far... have you installed git yet?
[16:06:16] <hoo>	 Which operating system are you using anyway? Say, Linux, please :P
[16:06:31] <Isarra>	 Yes and windows.
[16:06:49] <hoo>	 ok, I'm clueless :P
[16:06:59] <Isarra>	 Just kidding (sort of) - I made a vm for that sort of thing.
[16:07:05] <Isarra>	 So it is linux, yes.
[16:07:08] <hoo>	 Thank god :D
[16:07:17] <Krenair>	 Git on Windows... Ugh.
[16:07:29] <Isarra>	 I can't even figure out how to use the file manager in windows. >.<
[16:08:13] <Isarra>	 Although that git would be so difficult on windows... does that not present a problem for anyone who does happen to use windows?
[16:08:21] * marktraceur  interjects "Say GNU/Linux, please"

[16:08:26] <marktraceur>	 :P
[16:08:35] * Isarra  says netbsd.

[16:08:40] <Kryczek>	 ugh please no
[16:08:54] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: I have help! http://openhatch.org/missions/git
[16:08:56] <Kryczek>	 (for the GNU/ prefix)
[16:08:57] <liangent>	 Dereckson: maybe some other tests can be added?
[16:09:09] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: There's a link on that page to something called "git bash", that should help
[16:09:37] <Isarra>	 Well, anyway, git is installed, I cloned core and the relevant extension and may or may not have succeeded in making a branch on at least one of those. 
[16:09:40] <hoo>	 marktraceur: Well... we can either help people or confuse the hell out of them :D
[16:10:07] <marktraceur>	 hoo: I don't know, using the name of the kernel to refer to the OS can be confusing, but I'm willing to try
[16:10:10] <hoo>	 Isarra: Fine... have you installed git review as well?
[16:10:15] <Isarra>	 Aye.
[16:10:37] <Kryczek>	 if I install Cygwin, should I say GNU/Windows ?
[16:10:42] <hoo>	 marktraceur: I keep doing this for year... I'm often already happen if people are aware of "Linux" at all... not matter how
[16:10:52] <Isarra>	 I got to 'Make and commit your change' in the workflow page and that's where things started falling apart.
[16:10:57] <hoo>	 Isarra: Fine :)
[16:11:05] <hoo>	 Not fine :P
[16:11:08] <Isarra>	 That, or that's when I noticed. I dunno.
[16:11:23] <hoo>	 Ok, so what's not working as expected?
[16:11:34] <Isarra>	 I don't know what to expect!
[16:11:49] <marktraceur>	 Kryczek: Since you don't use the GNU utils in most of your computing, clearly not. But you also shouldn't say "NT", because most people don't know what that is.
[16:11:57] <marktraceur>	 Kryczek: Nor "XNU"
[16:11:57] <hoo>	 So... what does happen at all? :P
[16:12:07] <Isarra>	 I don't know. o__o
[16:12:13] <hoo>	 oO
[16:12:32] <Kryczek>	 marktraceur: even Microsoft is confused about NT (e.g. NT4 had the line "Built on NT technology") :p but what is XNU?
[16:12:48] <marktraceur>	 !sqldebug | subbu 
[16:12:50] <Kryczek>	 ah sorry, google
[16:12:52] <Isarra>	 So I guess I made a branch (possibly?) and I made some changes and git diff shows the changes and uh... I don't know.
[16:12:53] <marktraceur>	 Damn it.
[16:13:00] <marktraceur>	 !sqllog | subbu 
[16:13:00] <wm-bot>	 subbu: To log all SQL queries to a file, set $wgDebugDumpSql = true; and set $wgDebugLogFile to a filename
[16:13:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Renamed JS resource files to lower case 'd' for 'dataValues'" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28525
[16:13:15] <hoo>	 Isarra: That's fine... run "git status" and see what it tells you ;)
[16:13:29] <marktraceur>	 Kryczek: Better, enwiki :)
[16:13:42] <Kryczek>	 ;)
[16:13:44] <sumanah>	 Isarra: welcome to git :-) 
[16:14:15] <Kryczek>	 anyway I was making the same point, no need to confuse people with useless prefixes
[16:14:16] <sumanah>	 hi vvv - you are just in time
[16:14:25] <vvv>	 hi sumanah
[16:14:29] <vvv>	 You are going to process my request? :)
[16:14:32] <Isarra>	 It says there are changes on branch descriptively_named_branch that should be added to commit.
[16:14:41] * Isarra  dies on sumanah.

[16:14:58] <hoo>	 Isarra: That's exactly what we want
[16:15:02] <sumanah>	 vvv: yes! done. Congrats!
[16:15:09] <vvv>	 Thanks
[16:15:12] <hoo>	 Are the changes you made fine as far as you can see?
[16:15:14] <Isarra>	 Okay. What does that mean?
[16:15:15] <marktraceur>	 Kryczek: What's confusing? It specifies the OS as opposed to the kernel, that's eliminating ambiguity, not adding to it
[16:15:15] <vvv>	 That's like a double good day
[16:15:17] <Isarra>	 And I have no idea.
[16:15:24] <Isarra>	 They... seem fine? Kind of?
[16:15:24] * hoo  want's +2 as well :P

[16:15:27] * hoo  hides

[16:15:28] <sumanah>	 vvv: (I had told the other core maintainers that they had till Wed to respond with +1s and any vetoes, so I was waiting till today anyway)
[16:15:33] <vvv>	 Core review access + MLP:FiM Season 3 announced
[16:15:44] <sumanah>	 Isarra: I'm sorry, not sure what you mean by dying on me?
[16:15:53] <hoo>	 Isarra: Fine... so we can push them to gerrit so that others can take a look, I guess ;)
[16:16:02] <Isarra>	 sumanah: Sorry, bad joke. Hi?
[16:16:10] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Thanks! np. :-) Hi! 
[16:16:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:16:22] <Isarra>	 hoo: So... uh... add files?
[16:16:22] <sumanah>	 hoo: if you'd like +2 on a repo, you can ask for it of course
[16:16:27] <sumanah>	 no guarantee you'll get it
[16:16:36] <Kryczek>	 marktraceur: people don't even know what a kernel is, and if you correct anyone interested in "Linux" by saying they should say "GNU/Linux" you'll give Linux (or whatever) a bad name, as if you were telling everyone to say *Microsoft* Windows instead of just "Windows"
[16:16:38] <sumanah>	 you could start with one of the extensions that has a backlog
[16:16:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28509
[16:16:43] <hoo>	 sumanah: I guess, I'll get toasted :P
[16:17:05] <hoo>	 Isarra: Yes... use git add filesYouChanged
[16:17:24] <sumanah>	 hoo: you could start with a non-WMF-deployed repository - if you've already been submitting patches or reviewing changes, it's very likely that you'd get the access you want
[16:17:26] <Isarra>	 And can I change the branch name?
[16:17:27] <hoo>	 or just git add --all to add all files you changed (only use that if you want to submit all changes)
[16:17:35] <marktraceur>	 Kryczek: In any case, I'm of the opinion that it's worthless to have people using free software if they don't understand what it means that it's free, and why it's important. So if people get annoyed by me saying "GNU", I take that as an immediate sign that probably, I really don't care to argue with this person :)
[16:17:35] <Isarra>	 I tried to already but apparently nothing happened.
[16:17:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Call to a member function preSaveTransform() on a non-object in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41179 normal; MediaWiki: ContentHandler; (sam)
[16:17:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:17:49] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: Good to know I'm worthless!
[16:17:51] <Isarra>	 Does it matter?
[16:17:51] <hoo>	 Isarra: Try git status again
[16:18:25] <hoo>	 if you ran add --all git diff will no longer show any change
[16:18:25] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: That's not at all what I said! /me enjoys a good backtrack early in the morning
[16:18:37] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: oh, you mean "Sumana/worthless"
[16:18:47] <Isarra>	 Weeeird.
[16:18:51] <Isarra>	 And okay.
[16:19:02] <hoo>	 Isarra: heh :D
[16:19:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "link to entity on repo with or without items in main ns" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28498
[16:19:11] <hoo>	 Now run "git commit"
[16:19:30] <hoo>	 On the first line you enter what you done (up to about 60 chars)
[16:19:37] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: I'm completely unsure of what you mean
[16:19:38] <Isarra>	 But if this makes an extension look all funny, isn't that bad?
[16:19:40] <hoo>	 then one spare line and then a more detailed desc., fi needed
[16:19:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia wikis need better issue reporting system - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27852  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:20:06] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: I am basically mocking your ideology and shibboleths.
[16:20:08] <Kryczek>	 marktraceur: so it is worthless to have freedom for everyone if everyone is not fully aware of how that freedom is defended? :)
[16:20:20] <hoo>	 Isarra: Is that a common method or do you think that's the only extension affected out there (probably)
[16:20:28] <sumanah>	 Kryczek: marktraceur - probably best to take it to a PM.
[16:20:35] <Isarra>	 I... have no idea.
[16:20:37] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: It's OK, I'm used to that :)
[16:20:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moodbar on nlwiki redirects to enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41173  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:20:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[16:20:58] <Isarra>	 It should be the only widely-used one? >.>
[16:21:11] <hoo>	 Isarra: Just push it... as told, we review every change, so it will never make it into the software, if we consider it harmful ;)
[16:21:13] <Isarra>	 Because anything else that would be affected would probably be redundant with it...
[16:21:17] <vvv>	 sumanah: shibboleths?
[16:21:35] <Isarra>	 How do I get a change that hardly even makes sense to me past reviewers who almost certainly won't understand?
[16:22:02] <sumanah>	 vvv: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shibboleth
[16:22:02] <sumanah>	 Isarra: you can explain it in the commit summary and code comments
[16:22:29] <sumanah>	 Isarra: they will have a conversation with you in the form of code review comments that you can respond to
[16:22:55] <vvv>	 sumanah: oh, I did not know that word actually meant something. I thought it was a random name of a certain SSO system
[16:22:55] <Isarra>	 Can these comments be viewed without js?
[16:23:03] <sumanah>	 I don't know.
[16:23:10] <sumanah>	 Well, they'll be emailed to you for sure
[16:23:37] <sumanah>	 (unless you turn that off in your user preferences in Gerrit, the code review site)
[16:23:47] <Isarra>	 Gerrit won't even render half its content.
[16:24:20] <Isarra>	 I didn't know it had preferences.
[16:24:20] <sumanah>	 May I ask why you turn off JavaScript?  And whether you'd be ok with turning JS on to use Gerrit?
[16:24:28] <Isarra>	 I don't turn it off. Gerrit's just doesn't work.
[16:24:40] <hoo>	 Isarra: What browser?
[16:24:41] <sumanah>	 OK, that's a bug. Can you please talk more about your setup?
[16:24:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation to the latest version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  15enhancement->major; +comment (10Platonides)
[16:25:18] <Isarra>	 hoo: Opera and IE.
[16:25:32] <hoo>	 Isarra: Both broken??
[16:25:41] <sumanah>	 What version of IE, Isarra?
[16:25:47] <hoo>	 Try clearing your cache then... sound really wierd
[16:25:47] <Isarra>	 Last I checked.
[16:26:01] <subbu>	 hmm .. my local mediawiki install is broken ... i tried running maintenance/update.php and that didn't fix the db schema problem ... 
[16:26:05] <Isarra>	 I dunno about IE since I almost never use it anyway, but...
[16:26:10] <sumanah>	 hi subbu - when did it break?
[16:26:29] <subbu>	 not sure ... but i tried saving a page, and i am getting errors
[16:26:30] <sumanah>	 Isarra: People do not report problems using Gerrit in Firefox and Chrome.
[16:26:38] <subbu>	 i haven't saved anything in a while .. so not sure when this broke actually.  
[16:26:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Looks legit :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28290
[16:26:39] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Would it be feasible for you to use one of those browsers instead?
[16:26:45] <Isarra>	 I really don't like them.
[16:26:58] <sumanah>	 subbu: when did you last upgrade? you might want to try updating to git master to see if that helps
[16:26:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticTasks] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27429
[16:26:58] <subbu>	 from within function "RecentChange::save". Database returned error "1054: Unknown column 'rc_moved_to_ns' in 'field list' (localhost)".
[16:27:13] <Isarra>	 And forcing folks to use strange browsers is not exactly good design.
[16:27:13] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Certainly.
[16:27:17] <subbu>	 i have the latest master code.
[16:27:27] <sumanah>	 Isarra: I am trying to give you a workaround
[16:27:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Offset is incorrect after alienInline in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41117  summary (10James Forrester)
[16:27:36] <sumanah>	 Isarra: while we figure out the IE/Opera problem and figure out when a fix is coming.
[16:27:48] <sumanah>	 Does that make sense to you?
[16:27:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Firefox is not displaying cursor in slugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41120  summary (10James Forrester)
[16:27:57] <Isarra>	 Can you not come up with the workaround in which gerrit is a giant pile of poop in most all regards besides?
[16:28:24] <sumanah>	 Isarra: You realize you're being a liiiiittle  bit less-than-forgiving here?
[16:28:26] <Isarra>	 Sorry.
[16:28:30] <Isarra>	 I just really hate it, apparently.
[16:28:39] <hoo>	 subbu: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28445 Probably this is the issue
[16:28:42] <sumanah>	 Isarra: We are indeed working on improving Gerrit.  There's an upgrade coming, for example. We also submit patches upstream.
[16:28:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "It *is* potentially confusing with Wikiversity." [mediawiki/extensions/SiteMatrix] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28241
[16:28:53] <hoo>	 try to change the setting in your localsettings
[16:29:07] <Isarra>	 So you intend to replace it with something else?
[16:29:07] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Many other people also dislike working with Gerrit. This is a reason we reevaluated our tools a few months ago and seriously considered switching.
[16:29:15] <hoo>	 And please open a bug in case that's the solution
[16:29:17] <sumanah>	 Let me give you a few links.
[16:29:45] <sumanah>	 Isarra: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation
[16:29:51] <Isarra>	 Can't even log in sensibly. Return doesn't work.
[16:30:19] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Have you filed bugs about any of these issues, or checked https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/list to see whether others have?
[16:30:38] <Isarra>	 No, I've tried to avoid the thing entirely.
[16:30:38] <subbu>	 hoo thanks .. let me try disabling that flag as in the referenced bug
[16:30:49] <sumanah>	 Isarra: the Gerrit upstream team IS responsive.  Engagement is actually working.
[16:31:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Katie Horn; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28468
[16:31:05] <Isarra>	 Working to what?
[16:31:05] <sumanah>	 Gerrit is better than it used to be and continues to improve. But they can't fix problems unless they know about them.
[16:31:13] <Isarra>	 Gerrit is the problem!
[16:31:31] <sumanah>	 There are problems with Gerrit but you are oversimplifying.
[16:31:46] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Fatal error with on SMW 1.8 beta2 when viewing a property page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41177  04CRIT->04BLOCKER; +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[16:31:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28478
[16:32:00] <Isarra>	 I'm sorry... I... ghah, we've gotten off topic.
[16:32:43] * marktraceur  apologizes for derailing the topic earlier, especially to sumanah and Isarra

[16:32:46] <subbu>	 hoo, no, setting $wgContentHandlerUseDB=false; didn't fix it. 
[16:32:48] <sumanah>	 Thanks marktraceur 
[16:33:13] <hoo>	 subbu: Set it to true
[16:33:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:33:41] <hoo>	 It's false per default... setting it to true will force deeper schema changes... I ran them in the last days and they went fine
[16:33:47] <sumanah>	 Isarra: I'm going to look in the current issues list to see whether others are already aware of the Opera and IE problems you mentioned, and so I can see whether fixes are on their way.  In the interim, unfortunately, using a different browser, or checking whether your JS settings have inadvertently not allowed something Gerrit wants to do, might help
[16:33:47] <hoo>	 might take long on a big wiki, though
[16:34:30] * sumanah  checks https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/list?can=1&q=opera&colspec=ID+Type+Stars+Milestone+Status+Priority+Owner+Summary&cells=tiles 

[16:34:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; [[Manual:$wgPreloadJavaScriptMwUtil]]; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110254#c33079>
[16:34:55] <subbu>	 hoo nope.  i set it to true and ran 'php maintenance/update.php' and resaved the page.  same error
[16:35:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  (10Andre Klapper)
[16:35:23] <hoo>	 subbu: What exact error do you receive?
[16:35:24] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:35:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:35:29] <Isarra>	 sumanah: Thank you, but that such *could* be an issue at all seems more like a serious design flaw than anything else.
[16:35:32] <hoo>	 You use MySQL, don't you?
[16:35:38] <subbu>	 from within function "RecentChange::save". Database returned error "1054: Unknown column 'rc_moved_to_ns' in 'field list' (localhost)".
[16:35:39] <subbu>	 yes.
[16:36:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Added QUnit test for dataValues.util.inherit" [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28526
[16:36:34] <sumanah>	 Isarra: yes, that could be the case. And yet, even so, *Gerrit was and continues to be the best option for us* -- weep, if you can, for the state of code review systems.
[16:36:39] <sumanah>	 (That's not me speaking, that
[16:36:48] <Isarra>	 Extension:CodeReview was usable.
[16:36:49] <sumanah>	 is the community -- look at that evaluation page I linked you to.)
[16:37:04] <Isarra>	 From what I've seen of the community, they weren't even consulted about switching to it.
[16:37:11] <sumanah>	 That is simply untrue.
[16:37:26] <subbu>	 hoo  problem with table wmfrecentchanges .. it doesn't have the field rc_moved_to_ns
[16:37:34] <sumanah>	 Isarra: E:CR was dependent on SVN, and with SVN we had massive code review backlogs and other problems -- I can go into that if you want.
[16:38:02] <Isarra>	 But why could not a version be made for git?
[16:38:17] <sumanah>	 your question is "could" rather than "should"
[16:38:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor does not work: "Invalid response from Extension Distributor remote client" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41081  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[16:40:24] <Isarra>	 With git is branchname at all important?
[16:40:39] <Isarra>	 Mind that I'm not entirely sure what a branch even is.
[16:40:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbgetclaims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41164  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:40:45] <sumanah>	 excuse me Isarra I need to tlak to someone inperson here
[16:40:46] <sumanah>	 biab
[16:41:00] <subbu>	 hoo looks like the two fields got dropped recently  ... * (bug 9237) SpecialBrokenRedirect should not list interwiki redirects.
[16:41:00] <subbu>	 * (bug 34960) Drop unused fields rc_moved_to_ns and rc_moved_to_title from
[16:41:00] <subbu>	   recentchanges table
[16:41:08] * Isarra  pokes hoo.

[16:41:10] <subbu>	 that is from the release notes for 1.21
[16:41:26] <hoo>	 subbu: mhm
[16:41:43] <hoo>	 Are all your file up to date with the current masteR?
[16:41:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor does not work: "Invalid response from Extension Distributor remote client" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41081  (10Andre Klapper)
[16:41:44] <hoo>	 Isarra: Yes?
[16:41:52] <subbu>	 hoo, yes.  so, i am clearly missing some flags in my local settings.
[16:42:19] <Isarra>	 hoo: Are branchnames important? >.>
[16:42:43] <hoo>	 Isarra: Well, if you solve a specific bug we usually use bug/1234
[16:43:15] <hoo>	 But that's not /that/ important... better any fix, than no fix ;)
[16:44:02] <Isarra>	 So no point trying to change the name at this point?
[16:44:08] <vvv>	 sumanah: the backlogs are still around, except that now they do not block the deployment. And probably not that large, although I do not know the stats
[16:44:15] <hoo>	 Isarra: Well, it's up to you ;)
[16:44:29] <hoo>	 git branch -m old_name new_name can rename a branch
[16:44:32] <Isarra>	 hoo: I plead cluelessness.
[16:44:52] <hoo>	 bit I think you have to checkout another one first... better jsut leave it for now
[16:45:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28525
[16:46:23] <Isarra>	 Okay...
[16:46:39] <hoo>	 subbu: mhm, that function looks fine for me
[16:46:42] <subbu>	 hoo, never mind .. i figured out the problem ... i forgot to update the code in the mediawiki install ... 
[16:47:00] <hoo>	 Thought so :P
[16:47:07] <subbu>	 i just did a git update .. but didn't update the code in /var/www ..
[16:47:17] <subbu>	 thanks for your help :)
[16:48:17] <Isarra>	 How do I summarise a change that makes no logical sense?
[16:48:20] <hoo>	 subbu: Happens to me often as well... I have a sync_wiki script with rsync which does that for me (it also picks along the extensions etc.)
[16:48:46] <subbu>	 hoo ... that is nifty.    
[16:48:47] <hoo>	 Isarra: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40610 Isn't it?
[16:48:51] <Isarra>	 Yes.
[16:49:00] * sumanah  tries to catch up on an agenda before a meeting in 10 min

[16:49:11] <sumanah>	 vvv: CentralAuth backlog, you mean?
[16:49:26] <hoo>	 Isarra: The explanation there is quite ok... why not reuse it?
[16:49:31] <sumanah>	 sorry, I lack context a little, vvv 
[16:49:33] <vvv>	 sumanah: no, in general. That was re your comment about problems with svn
[16:50:11] <sumanah>	 sadly I just do not have time right now to talk more in depth about that nuance, but I hear you
[16:50:23] <Isarra>	 hoo: Because it's long and doesn't explain why this weird pile of changes would actually be necessary. Am I overthinking this?
[16:50:37] <vvv>	 sumanah: sure, actually I gotta go now
[16:50:40] <sumanah>	 vvv: speaking of backlogs - so .... ok!
[16:50:44] <sumanah>	 bye, happy hacking
[16:50:51] <Isarra>	 And it borks the wikieditor extension slightly.
[16:51:06] <vvv>	 I'd say it will be happy calculus for now
[16:51:20] <Isarra>	 And it depends somewhat on another change.
[16:51:20] <hoo>	 Isarra: Maybe just push it :P From time to time I pushed changes myself which I knew were rather controversial and needed deeper discussion... but I just tried it ;)
[16:51:29] <hoo>	 Isarra: Somehwat?
[16:51:41] <Isarra>	 It assumes legacy skins will be removed.
[16:52:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Seems to work on preview, but not after having saved." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[16:52:25] <hoo>	 Isarra: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Create_a_dependency
[16:52:46] <hoo>	 (I know, that's rather complicated)
[16:54:14] <Isarra>	 Well, it's not really a dependency, either; it just results in weirdness on them if they're used with the wikieditor extension. O_o
[16:54:17] <Isarra>	 Although said extension also results in weirdness on most of them anyway.
[16:54:23] <hoo>	 Isarra: Link https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170 then maybe
[16:55:26] <Isarra>	 Oh, I think that was why I hugged James_F.
[16:55:26] * Isarra  hugs him again.

[16:55:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Changes to use variant length prefixes and fragments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28527
[16:56:00] <James_F>	 Isarra: You're welcome.
[16:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Put it on hold, I want to add some docs" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28527
[17:00:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Fixing a typo that was filling up my php error log." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28528
[17:04:35] <Isarra>	 hoo: So is a change that requires updating an extension as well bad?
[17:05:13] <hoo>	 If it's very specific, so that it's only a single, known extension, not
[17:05:39] <hoo>	 In general, no (if it's not a very serious issue)
[17:05:48] <Isarra>	 Okay.
[17:06:02] <Isarra>	 Thanks, man.
[17:06:46] <kaste>	 I am trying to install all the extensions an old wiki dump needs and it broke on a lot of Parserfunctions, i then installed that but now it doesn't fail on those anymore but doesn't work on #sub. I thought that was part of parserfunctions. What am i doing wrong?
[17:06:54] <Isarra>	 Is there any good way to link stuff in a commit-msg?
[17:08:06] <hoo>	 Isarra: Nah... just use plain links, gerrit will link them
[17:08:25] <Isarra>	 Are changes to core specifically to avoid messing up a widely-used extension bad?
[17:10:20] <hoo>	 Isarra: As told, we usually try to keep everything backwards compatible... this manner /can/ be broken on a case to case basis.
[17:10:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pgehres; "Doh!" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28528
[17:10:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28528
[17:10:27] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Support forks of Firefox in the browser whitelist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41147  normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:10:40] <Isarra>	 So basically this is a horrible mess.
[17:10:42] <hoo>	 If it's rarely used, we shouldn't write the core around that extension, it's supposed to be the otehr way round
[17:12:30] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Give user some notice if their browser is not supported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41149  normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:12:59] <James_F>	 hoo: If an extension is very widely used, we should merge it into core, surely?
[17:13:27] <hoo>	 James_F: No, that's not that I meant
[17:13:42] <hoo>	 I meant, we then, MAYBE, have to hack around in core to keep that working
[17:13:42] <Isarra>	 If it's not a pile of crap, perhaps. But what if it is?
[17:13:57] <James_F>	 Isarra: Then we should replace it with core functionality.
[17:14:11] <Isarra>	 The core functionality doesn't do as much!
[17:14:12] <James_F>	 Isarra: E.g. it's ridiculous that Special:RenameUser isn't in core.
[17:14:19] <Isarra>	 So someone adds an extension that does more, just kind of slightly terribly.
[17:14:30] <Isarra>	 Although that one doesn't seem all that terrible...
[17:14:40] <James_F>	 Isarra: Extend the core functionality to cover this usecase?
[17:14:54] <Isarra>	 Someone would have to actually do that, though, no?
[17:16:00] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Click-dragging of content to move it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41150  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:16:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "enable CTA4 for all anon users" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28530
[17:17:16] <James_F>	 Isarra: The extension author?
[17:17:24] <James_F>	 Isarra: Someone who cares?
[17:18:06] <Isarra>	 Madness!
[17:18:06] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Tooltips for Remove/OK/Cancel buttons in link dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41153  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:18:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "Do not merge before Oct 23" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28530
[17:18:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Tooltips for Remove/OK/Cancel buttons in link dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41153  (10James Forrester)
[17:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OOM while thumbnailing huge progressive / interlaced JPEGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17645  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[17:19:25] <Reedy>	 http://tools.tortoisesvn.net/CommitMonitor.html
[17:19:48] <sumanah>	 guillom: hey, can you take a look at the template stuff for the 1.20 and 1.21 roadmap status pages?
[17:19:57] <Subfader>	 which PHP version is currently recommended? Will it work with MW 1.16a from 2009?
[17:20:23] <guillom>	 ok
[17:20:24] <sumanah>	 guillom: it seems to me as though https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/Roadmap uses * {{Wikimedia project status line|MediaWiki 1.20/Roadmap}} but that status line is pulling from 1.21
[17:20:39] <Subfader>	 !PHP
[17:20:39] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !?>, !actions, !adminsettings, !anglebrackets, !autothumb, !config, !createandpromote, !defaultsettings, !dpl, !dumphtml, !enableapi, !errors, !extranamespace, !filesize, !import, !importimages, !javascript, !line, !logo, !memory, !newusergroup, !nofollow, !passthru, !php, !php4, !php531, !phpinfo, !phpmyadmin, !phpshell, !phpsucks, !query, !requestcontext, !serversuperglobal, !session, !sitemap, !subpages, !t_paamayim_nekudotayim, !tidyforidiots, !umask, !update.php, !vector, !version, !wf, !wiki2pdf, !wiki2xml, 
[17:20:51] <Subfader>	 !php
[17:20:52] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki is written in PHP. PHP's website is http://php.net. For a full list of MediaWiki requirements, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements
[17:21:06] <sumanah>	 Subfader: FYI I think you can also PM with the bot
[17:21:36] <Subfader>	 how? I only use IRC for this chan :)
[17:21:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "enable CTA4 for all anon users" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28530
[17:22:08] <sumanah>	 Subfader: within your IRC client you can click on the bot's nick and choose the option to have a private conversation with it
[17:22:10] <guillom>	 sumanah: the 1.21 page uses {{Wikimedia project status line|MediaWiki 1.20/Roadmap}}
[17:22:37] <sumanah>	 AHA
[17:22:46] <Subfader>	 kk
[17:22:46] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Backspace can't remove Preformatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41154  +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:22:47] * sumanah  hadn't checked that yet, mw.org is slow

[17:22:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Backspace can't remove Preformatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41154  summary (10James Forrester)
[17:24:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 41178) Fix fatal in EditPage::displayPermissionsError." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28531
[17:25:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:25:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:25:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Restore compatibility with 1.17 broken in I0a29fed0" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28532
[17:27:06] <Isarra>	 How do you make a browser-specific css thing?
[17:27:23] <hoo>	 Isarra: I general or in MW?
[17:27:34] <Isarra>	 In mediawiki.
[17:28:23] <hoo>	 Try to avoid that as hard as possible...
[17:28:31] <Isarra>	 Whatever wikieditor did accounted for chrome's weirdness, but without it this results in weirdness.
[17:28:38] <hoo>	 there are IE specific things in core/skins/common
[17:28:45] <Isarra>	 Can't. Some browsers like to do weird crap.
[17:30:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS classes mw-content-ltr/mw-content-rtl is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41036  +comment (10Fomafix)
[17:30:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "Are you sure this is necessary? Seems like you'd want to position this using CSS rather than by addi..." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28320
[17:32:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:32:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[17:33:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) AFT5 Metrics Study 6: Enable Signup CTA 4 to track account creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41180 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[17:33:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage and wikidata IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  summary (10Daniel Zahn)
[17:33:52] <Subfader>	 Is it safe to upgrade to PHP 5.4.7 ? Why does WP use and old 5.3.2 version?
[17:34:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFT5 Metrics Study 6: Enable Signup CTA 4 to track account creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41180  (10Fabrice Florin)
[17:35:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Massaf; "Usually, yes. But doing it that way here would've involved tweaking the positioning of other element..." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28320
[17:38:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 41179)  Missing content in EditPage::showDiff" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28534
[17:39:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "blah - do not merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28535
[17:39:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function preSaveTransform() on a non-object in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41179   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:40:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DataValues] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28526
[17:42:05] <Subfader>	 :yawn:
[17:42:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28532
[17:43:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Support forks of Firefox in the browser whitelist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41147  +comment (10Liangent)
[17:43:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fixup some returns, documentation" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28536
[17:45:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugs affecting translatewiki.net (errors from MediaWiki master) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39480  (10Andre Klapper)
[17:45:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) /w/api.php Exception from line 104 of /www/translatewiki.net/w/includes/WikiPage.php: Invalid or virtual namespace -1 given. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41168  (10Andre Klapper)
[17:46:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Support forks of Firefox in the browser whitelist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41147  +comment (10Liangent)
[17:46:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page source is no longer trimmed from trailing whitespaces on save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41169  (10Andre Klapper)
[17:49:52] <ntfydmills>	 hi, i'm trying to figure out how to point my install of MediaWiki on Windows to use a specific SMTP Server
[17:50:15] <ntfydmills>	 from what I understand is that I set the $wgSMTP variable in my localsettings.php, however i get all sorts of errors when i do that
[17:50:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27671
[17:50:55] <ntfydmills>	 and would like to get this setup so my users can click "fogot password" and receive an e-mail in the event they forget their pw
[17:50:55] <Reedy>	 such as?
[17:51:09] <ntfydmills>	 lemme re-set that variable and get you all of the errors
[17:51:10] <ntfydmills>	 there were hundreds on my screen when i tested it
[17:51:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) out of captcha images; cannot create accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41121  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:52:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28148
[17:52:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make EditPage robust against null content." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28538
[17:53:37] <ntfydmills>	 several errors like --> Strict Standards: Non-static method PEAR::isError() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in C:\xampp\php\pear\Net\SMTP.php on line 982
[17:53:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function preSaveTransform() on a non-object in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41179  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:54:23] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Call to a member function preSaveTransform() on a non-object in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41179  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:54:27] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[17:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: First 'space' in Firefox strands previous content in DIV outside of P element in new document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41181 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (jforrester)
[17:54:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedArticles] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28523
[17:55:02] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: First 'space' in Firefox strands previous content in DIV outside of P element in new document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41181  (10James Forrester)
[17:55:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/Insider] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28510
[17:55:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) out of captcha images; cannot create accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41121  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:55:44] <ntfydmills>	 apparently i need to do a "pear install Mail-1.2.0" command from my machine, however locating the pear.exe to launch from command line ... yeah no luck with that
[17:57:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File upload using SwiftCloudFiles returns 'Could not create directory "mwstore://localSwift/public".' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40932  +comment (10Tom Noonan II)
[17:57:11] <Reedy>	 Look where your php files are
[17:57:41] <Reedy>	 pecl.bat/pear.bat
[17:58:03] <Reedy>	 ntfydmills: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/installation.getting.php
[17:58:04] <ntfydmills>	 ah-ha!
[17:58:33] <hoo|away>	 Isarra: Any news?
[17:59:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) beta wiki gives a 403 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41182 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (hashar)
[17:59:10] <Isarra>	 hoo|away: Is it a bad sign when my workarounds have workarounds?
[17:59:49] <hoo|away>	 Isarra: Workarounds around your workarounds or you use workarounds for your workarounds?
[18:00:37] <Isarra>	 Workarounds for the workarounds so said workarounds actually work.
[18:00:43] <Isarra>	 Or... something.
[18:01:05] <hoo|away>	 Ok... let's just pretend I understood this :P
[18:01:20] <hoo|away>	 Sounds messy ...
[18:01:26] <Isarra>	 Kind of.
[18:01:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor DifferenceEngine et.al. to make parts reusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36902  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[18:02:27] <Isarra>	 This thing I'm trying to do is a workaround for the way textareas take styling, which necessitates a further workaround for the way chromium treats textareas, and... uh... I wonder what else I've missed?
[18:02:48] <ntfydmills>	 Reedy: I'm still getting the errors with C:\xampp\php\pear\Net\SMTP.php, C:\xampp\php\pear\Mail\smtp.php and C:\xampp\htdocs\wiki\includes\UserMailer.php
[18:03:02] <ntfydmills>	 after installing the pear mailer
[18:03:03] <hoo|away>	 That indeed sounds messy...
[18:03:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: First 'space' in Firefox strands previous content in DIV outside of P element in new document - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41181  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[18:03:26] <Reedy>	 Warning:  Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf2/includes/User.php on line 4192 <- If anyone wants to work on this it'd be appreciated https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41175
[18:03:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) beta wiki gives a 403 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41182  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:04:32] <Isarra>	 I wonder, would adding a pointless div under the textarea help?
[18:05:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) beta wiki logo gives a 403 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41182  summary (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:05:29] <Isarra>	 This, of course, is the point where I get into the workaround to make up for the workaround for chromium...
[18:05:37] <Isarra>	 ...I'm doing this wrong, ain't I?
[18:05:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend: Reference in summary section comes up but shows empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41118  +comment (10Jon)
[18:05:53] <hoo|away>	 Reedy: I'm already happy, that I'm not the cause... my change to loadOptions isn't yet merged :/
[18:06:14] <hoo|away>	 Isarra: That sounds super mega uggly :/
[18:06:27] <Reedy>	 hah.
[18:06:43] <Isarra>	 hoo|away: And this is also why I have no idea what I could possibly put in the commit message that would explain all this!
[18:06:44] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) beta wiki logo gives a 403 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41182  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:07:32] <ntfydmills>	 Strict Standards: Non-static method Mail::factory() should not be called statically in C:\xampp\htdocs\wiki\includes\UserMailer.php on line 245  Strict Standards: Non-static method PEAR::isError() should not be called statically in C:\xampp\htdocs\wiki\includes\UserMailer.php on line 246  Strict Standards: Non-static method PEAR::isError() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in C:\xampp\php
[18:07:40] <ntfydmills>	 and on and on ... page full of errors
[18:07:54] <hoo|away>	 Isarra: mhm
[18:08:18] <hoo|away>	 I can hardly help you, as I don't really get the full problem and the way you actually plan to solve it
[18:09:03] <ntfydmills>	 hoo|away: not sure if you were talking to me or not, but i'm trying to get my server to use one of the SMTP Servers for the "forgotten password" link to actually send out the e-mail when people forget their pw
[18:09:12] <Reedy>	 PHP 5.4.8/5.3.18 is out
[18:09:27] <hoo|away>	 ntfydmills: Sorry, that was to Isarra ;)
[18:09:42] <ntfydmills>	 hoo|away: figured as much, just was being sure :P
[18:09:58] <Isarra>	 hoo|away: So how could I make that clear to folks, you included?
[18:10:26] <hoo|away>	 Isarra: Explain the problem, say what you did and if you can why
[18:10:41] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Link targets and display are corrupted when removing annotations from part of the link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41161  summary (10James Forrester)
[18:10:47] <hoo|away>	 Commit messages can be altered afterwards as well... nothing you do her is set in stone and unchangeable ;)
[18:11:01] <Isarra>	 The problem is insane and I beat it with a stick until the stick broke?
[18:11:25] <Isarra>	 Hmm...
[18:11:28] <hoo|away>	 :D
[18:11:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28000
[18:12:44] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: LinkTrailed links appear differently before and after save-reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41160  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[18:13:09] <hoo|away>	 Reedy: Just a thought, this function doesn't check whether the user is anon or not... but it will definitely fail for anons
[18:13:29] <Reedy>	 hoo|away: it doesn't look like it's changed anytime recently from a quick look
[18:13:54] <hoo|away>	 Yes... probably either the caller or loadOptions() is bad
[18:14:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28481
[18:14:24] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Position of replacement Edit tab is wrong (to the right of 'Watch' (the star) rather than left) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41159  normal->minor; summary (10James Forrester)
[18:14:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28482
[18:15:20] <brion>	 ah, linktrail
[18:15:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add fields to inform the wiki(s) to which configuration requests refers to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36539  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:15:52] <brion>	 one of those things that was a clever optimization for manual markup
[18:16:05] <brion>	 but is a pain in the ass to deal with
[18:16:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(Bug 41169) Apply rtrim on on preSaveTransfrom." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28543
[18:16:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page source is no longer trimmed from trailing whitespaces on save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41169   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[18:18:09] <Isarra>	 How do I uncommit something?
[18:18:41] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Locally, or in Gerrit?
[18:18:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) move mw logs out of /home to /data/project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41183 major; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (hashar)
[18:18:52] <Isarra>	 Locally. I haven't made it to gerrit yet.
[18:19:01] <Isarra>	 Although that will probably come up too. >.>
[18:19:06] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Do you want the changes to disappear, or just to not be committed?
[18:19:20] <Isarra>	 The latter. I think.
[18:19:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 40580) Show notice on tag/deletion for very new pages" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25946
[18:20:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25946
[18:20:05] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: I'm actually not sure that's possible.
[18:20:11] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Why do you want to uncommit it?
[18:20:42] <Isarra>	 I guess I want to start over without entirely starting over.
[18:20:51] <ntfydmills>	 Reedy: i've downloaded/installed Mail-1.2.0 and pear/Net_SMTP, however when i set the $wgSMTP variable using the outlined syntax on the website, i'm still getting all of those errors
[18:21:07] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: You can *amend* the change with git commit --amend, so you don't need to delete the commit to "start over"
[18:21:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "[Bug 41155] Record links on CSS/JS pages in the DB." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[18:21:32] <hoo|away>	 Reedy: I think I got it :D
[18:21:40] <hoo|away>	 By accident :P
[18:21:44] <Isarra>	 marktraceur: Well, I want to take it back to the original state without actually discarding the changes, if that makes any sense.
[18:21:44] <Reedy>	 hoo|away: the source of that bug?
[18:21:48] <hoo|away>	 Probably, yes
[18:22:06] <hoo|away>	 loadOptions used to if !this->getId() return; but no longer does
[18:22:20] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Not really, no :) do you want to reset specific files, maybe?
[18:22:28] <hoo|away>	 but it of course can't work for anon
[18:22:32] <Isarra>	 I... guess.
[18:22:44] <Isarra>	 marktraceur: I don't even know. O_o
[18:22:49] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: It's OK :)
[18:22:58] <Reedy>	 hoo|away: please feel free to submit a commit, and if you can point out where it was removed... :D
[18:23:29] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: So my gathering of it is, you only want to go backwards in the commit log, not discard any of the code changes?
[18:23:36] <Isarra>	 ...yeah.
[18:23:41] <Isarra>	 I guess.
[18:23:58] <Isarra>	 It would help if I understood this more.
[18:24:10] <marktraceur>	 I suppose :)
[18:24:27] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: It would be better if you described more basically what you're trying to accomplish
[18:24:46] <Isarra>	 I want to... sort of start over.
[18:24:54] <Isarra>	 But only sort of. 
[18:25:03] <hoo|away>	 Reedy: mhm https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7376/14/includes/User.php
[18:25:08] <Isarra>	 marktraceur: Oh, whatever. How do you reset the entire thing?
[18:25:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS classes mw-content-ltr/mw-content-rtl is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41036   +patch +patch-need-review (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:25:24] <Isarra>	 Er... discard, or whatever.
[18:25:29] <sumanah>	 "abandon"
[18:25:51] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: git reset --hard HEAD~1. But only if you're 100% sure you never want that code again.
[18:25:59] <marktraceur>	 No no
[18:26:05] <marktraceur>	 200% sure.
[18:26:05] <Isarra>	 Can I do that without losing the diffs? I want the diffs. >.>
[18:26:12] <Isarra>	 But the diffs are all I want.
[18:26:19] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Define "diffs"
[18:26:27] <Isarra>	 I... don't know.
[18:26:33] <Isarra>	 It had diffs.
[18:26:34] <Isarra>	 >_>
[18:26:41] * sumanah  looks for bugs reported recently

[18:26:42] <^demon>	 Isarra: So, what is it you're trying to accomplish, exactly?
[18:26:43] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: You want to know what the differences are between your updated files and the original ones?
[18:26:53] <Isarra>	 Yeah, that.
[18:27:04] <Isarra>	 I want to start over, but knowing what I did previously.
[18:27:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add fields to inform the wiki(s) to which configuration requests refers to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36539  (10mybugs.mail)
[18:27:33] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: You could checkout a new branch, reset in that branch, and then you can use git diff against the old branch
[18:27:37] <^demon>	 You could make further improvements to your existing change, and then amend the existing commit.
[18:27:38] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: git checkout -b my_new_branch
[18:28:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@demon: the scripts are now parsed and the result is placed in the database. Pages show on the categ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[18:28:47] <Isarra>	 Okay, so go into the directory, then git checkout whatever?
[18:28:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28130
[18:28:57] <Isarra>	 Then... how...
[18:29:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) /w/api.php Exception from line 104 of /www/translatewiki.net/w/includes/WikiPage.php: Invalid or virtual namespace -1 given. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41168  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:29:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[18:30:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "I think this caused bug 41175 - Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7376
[18:30:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:30:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28293
[18:31:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Gotcha, I see you're right now." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[18:31:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28507
[18:31:26] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: ^
[18:31:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "Yes. This is going to be part of the codebase for Wikipedia. Let's not kludge it. It's too late to i..." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28320
[18:31:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28320
[18:31:59] <Isarra>	 Okay, I'm not sure which seems more mindboggling right now... git, or wikipedians...
[18:34:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "One nitpick. Otherwise ok." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28543
[18:34:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 41061 - Log source of feedback moderation activity in FeedbackPage" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28383
[18:35:00] <Krenair>	 Git seemed mindboggling to me when I was new to it
[18:35:36] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ^demon: do i have to cancel dinner plans?
[18:35:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26717
[18:35:38] <DanielK_WMDE>	 otherwise, send an email :)
[18:35:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "I can't think of a reason the default would change." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28452
[18:35:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28452
[18:35:55] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hey robla
[18:36:02] <DanielK_WMDE>	 submitted 5 patches or so over the last hour
[18:36:08] <Isarra>	 Krenair: But did it seem terrifying?
[18:36:10] <DanielK_WMDE>	 should take care of most of the stuff.
[18:36:15] <Krenair>	 Not really, no..
[18:36:17] <DanielK_WMDE>	 41122 is still a mystery,though
[18:36:22] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28440/
[18:36:22] * DanielK_WMDE  is running out now

[18:36:27] <Isarra>	 Aye... wikipedians, on the other hand... o__o
[18:36:31] * Isarra  backs away slowly.

[18:36:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ContentHandler should not disable parsing of .js/.css wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41155  (10mybugs.mail)
[18:36:36] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: I merged I0736f158, works as advertised (pagelinks, etc updated)
[18:36:41] <^demon>	 (Enjoy your dinner)
[18:37:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:37:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "[Bug 41155] Record links on CSS/JS pages in the DB." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28545
[18:37:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28440
[18:38:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:39:16] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ^demon: yay :) thanks for all the fish! err, all the help!
[18:39:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 41156) Add id to the toolbox page info link" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28546
[18:39:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikivoyage migration (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41184 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (dzahn)
[18:40:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: LinkTrailed links appear differently before and after save-reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41160  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[18:40:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link to action=info in toolbox should have an ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41156  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:40:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28545
[18:40:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:40:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(Bug 41169) Apply rtrim on on preSaveTransfrom." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28543
[18:40:44] <^demon>	 Reedy: ^
[18:40:54] <aude>	 patches :)
[18:41:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add fields to inform the wiki(s) to which configuration requests refers to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36539  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:41:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28383
[18:41:24] <Reedy>	 I'll deploy these after I've had food
[18:41:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikivoyage migration (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41184  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:41:38] <^demon>	 Did you merge 28543 to the branch yet?
[18:41:47] <Reedy>	 nope
[18:41:47] <ntfydmills>	 anyone have any ideas as to why i'm getting these errors after installing the pear mail modules and set my $wgSMTP variables? obviously they're code errors referencing a $this in some files and other variables in other files
[18:41:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Fix timestamp in PageTriage" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28547
[18:42:07] <^demon>	 Reedy: I'll merge it to master as soon as jenkins say ok.
[18:42:24] <sumanah>	 hi ntfydmills ... just in case you don't get an answer here, you know about mediawiki-l ?
[18:42:24] <Reedy>	 cool
[18:42:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikivoyage migration (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41184  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:42:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28547
[18:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) merge wikivoyage channels during migration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41143  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) have wikivoyage and wikidata IRC cloaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41144  (10Daniel Zahn)
[18:42:38] <ntfydmills>	 sumanah: no, what's mediawiki-l?
[18:42:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Bsitu; "Fix is in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28547/" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28174
[18:42:45] <sumanah>	 !lists | ntfydmills 
[18:42:45] <wm-bot>	 ntfydmills: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[18:43:06] <ntfydmills>	 oh ... hmm ...
[18:43:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge custom "Mobile Platform" field into default "OS" field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40936  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:44:06] <sumanah>	 AaronSchulz: csteipp, DanielK_WMDE, gwicke, Nikerabbit, SPQRobin - one of you want to either veto or +1 the outstanding requests on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership ?
[18:44:13] <sumanah>	 Brian Wolff,  +  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership#.2B2_rights_to_team_members_for_extension.2FPostEdit
[18:44:41] <sumanah>	 hi eranroz 
[18:44:50] <sumanah>	 thanks for your work on the watchlist
[18:44:52] <eranroz>	 hi
[18:45:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28543
[18:46:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "JS/CSS tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28548
[18:46:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Merge branch 'master' of ssh://gerrit/mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28549
[18:46:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Support forks of Firefox in the browser whitelist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41147  +comment (10James Forrester)
[18:47:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28548
[18:47:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Ori.livneh; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28549
[18:47:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(bug 41175) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28550
[18:47:35] <Reedy>	 hoo: ^ thanks! :)
[18:47:46] <Isarra>	 How do you remove a file from a commit?
[18:47:50] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:48:34] <Reedy>	 Isarra: git reset file.php
[18:48:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: LinkTrailed links appear differently before and after save-reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41160  (10James Forrester)
[18:49:04] <Isarra>	 Reedy: Thanks.
[18:51:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(Bug 41169) Apply rtrim on on preSaveTransfrom." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28552
[18:52:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) LQT: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41185 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (sam)
[18:52:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28552
[18:53:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT Call to a member function ... on a non-object at different places - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17553  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:53:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41056  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:53:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41185  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:54:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update extension E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28553
[18:54:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5, CentralNotice, PageTriage to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28554
[18:55:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28554
[18:56:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add PostEdit extension" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28555
[18:58:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) all to a member function getText() on a non-object at Message.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41186 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (sam)
[19:00:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5, CentralNotice, and PageTraige to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28556
[19:00:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28556
[19:01:38] <Isarra>	 Okay, which git, how do I chuck something entirely and start over? o__o
[19:01:42] <Isarra>	 with
[19:02:18] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28555
[19:02:18] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: git reset --hard HEAD~1 (but be 200% sure)
[19:03:18] <Isarra>	 Thank you.
[19:03:49] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Also, in the future, being in separate branches will make this much easier.
[19:04:00] <Isarra>	 I do not understand branches.
[19:04:00] <Isarra>	 At all.
[19:04:45] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Basically it's just a separate directory for you to work in code, except that it doesn't use up the disk space that an extra directory would
[19:04:58] <sumanah>	 Isarra: if I point you to a useful and friendly git "how this works" essay, would you read it?
[19:05:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedSites] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28557
[19:05:11] <Vulpix>	 branches are essential in a version control system
[19:05:20] <Isarra>	 sumanah: Would it make any more sense than anything else?
[19:05:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Deleting selection does not delete selected list bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41158  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[19:05:33] <sumanah>	 Yes.
[19:05:47] <Isarra>	 I made a branch, but it didn't mean anything to me.
[19:05:56] <Isarra>	 Then I wanted to chuck it and couldn't figure out how.
[19:06:13] <Isarra>	 How do you use a particular branch, for that matter?
[19:06:14] * sumanah  waits for Isarra's answer

[19:06:54] * Isarra  doesn't have one.

[19:06:57] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: You should probably read sumanah's guide :) having a greater understanding of git is very helpful when using it,
[19:07:09] <marktraceur>	 ....trailing comma not intended
[19:07:16] <Isarra>	 Okay.
[19:07:16] <sumanah>	 I mean, Isarra, I was waiting for your answer to the question "would you read it?"
[19:07:45] * sumanah  takes that as a "yes"

[19:07:56] <Isarra>	 I could try, at least, but I doubt I'd succeed.
[19:08:08] <sumanah>	 http://geekchick77.dreamwidth.org/2360.html has been helpful to many people, especially people coming from experience with a centralized source control system
[19:08:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikivoyage migration (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41184  (10Andre Klapper)
[19:08:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Andre Klapper)
[19:08:22] <Isarra>	 I have no experience with any such systems.
[19:09:33] <MatmaRex>	 git's command line interface is slightly awful for easy things, but magical for weird things, really
[19:09:43] <sumanah>	 (and other people liked "Git for the confused developer" at http://beust.com/weblog/2010/04/06/git-for-the-nervous-developer/ )
[19:09:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Call to a member function preSaveTransform() on a non-object in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41179  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:09:54] <MatmaRex>	 you'll only start liking it once you start doing Bad Things, unfortunately
[19:09:58] <Isarra>	 I don't know what easy things or weird things are. I'm not a developer at all. o__o
[19:10:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28531
[19:10:21] <sumanah>	 There are also some references at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git#References that might be useful; different people have different learning approaches
[19:10:25] <MatmaRex>	 easy things is normal stuff, like committing code and pushing it (for review)
[19:10:36] <MatmaRex>	 weird things is, say, rewriting history
[19:10:42] <MatmaRex>	 rebasing, merging, ...
[19:10:43] <ntfydmills>	 ok, so i managed to get the e-mails to send from my server, however am still getting a butt load of errors when either creating an account or attempting to reset my password ... is there a way to turn these errors off?
[19:10:50] <Isarra>	 Okay...
[19:10:50] <sumanah>	 Isarra: did you ever do the "training mission" at http://openhatch.org/missions/git ? If you prefer to learn things interactively, that might be nice
[19:10:51] <Isarra>	 So what is tracking?
[19:10:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28534
[19:11:07] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: yeah, just forget it :) probably all you need now is "git add" and "git commit"
[19:11:19] <Isarra>	 Er.
[19:11:25] <MatmaRex>	 and "git push" (in normal situations) or "git review" (for MW)
[19:12:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(Bug 41179)  Missing content in EditPage::showDiff" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28558
[19:12:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Cleaned up path normalization for caching." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28559
[19:12:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(Bug 41178) Fix fatal in EditPage::displayPermissionsError." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28560
[19:12:39] <Ftrott>	 MatmaRex: Then you run git pull and once in a while it will come back with a ton of files that need to be merged despite the fact you  never touched them and mostly do not know, what they do
[19:12:54] <Ftrott>	 Then you use rm -rf and git clone
[19:13:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28558
[19:13:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28560
[19:13:34] <MatmaRex>	 yes. that's acutally a pretty good way to get stuff working again.
[19:13:59] <Reedy>	 git reset HEAD~100 --hard && git pull
[19:14:08] <MatmaRex>	 alright, you might also want "git checkout". for all the rest, there is StackOverflow :)
[19:14:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28538
[19:15:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Make EditPage robust against null content." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28561
[19:15:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fatal exception of type MWException on is.wikt on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy)
[19:15:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28561
[19:16:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Fatal error with on SMW 1.8 beta2 when viewing a property page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41177  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[19:16:06] <Isarra>	 Why is debian complaining about my private key being unprotected? Is this because it was created by windows?
[19:16:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rename "chapcomwiki" to "affcomwiki" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39482   +ops (10Andre Klapper)
[19:16:28] <Reedy>	 No, presumably because you didn't put a password on it
[19:16:32] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: do you need to input a password every time you do anything involving the key? if not, then that's probably why it complains
[19:16:56] <MatmaRex>	 hooray for linux distributions making everything harder ~
[19:16:56] <Isarra>	 It had a password. I dunno why it would stop having one...
[19:17:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fatal exception of type MWException on is.wikt on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:17:20] <Reedy>	 Why do people CC themselves on bugs they reported? :/
[19:17:25] <Isarra>	 Daemons on windows couldn't actually handle the password, either. It was horribly ironic.
[19:17:33] <Isarra>	 Stupid defaults?
[19:17:39] <Reedy>	 pageant works fine with a password
[19:17:41] <Reedy>	 on windows
[19:19:27] <Isarra>	 Permissions 0640 for '/home/rahah/.ssh/id_rsa' are too open.
[19:19:35] <Isarra>	 What permissions does it want? >.>
[19:19:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bhojpuri wikipedia should start with 'bho' instead of 'bh' to avoid confusion with Bihari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39968   +ops; summary (10Andre Klapper)
[19:19:51] <^demon>	 0600.
[19:20:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fatal exception of type MWException on is.wikt on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  +comment (10spacebirdy)
[19:20:04] <Krenair>	 MatmaRex, I'm on Ubuntu and it never complains... I just have to put in my password once per login
[19:20:33] <chrismcmahon>	 heh.  thanks ^demon I've had that error for literally years and never bothered to fix it. 
[19:20:33] <Reedy>	 18:48:36      [exec] 1) ParserOptionsTest::testGetParserCacheKeyWithDynamicDates
[19:20:33] <Reedy>	 18:48:36      [exec] Failed asserting that null is not null.
[19:20:33] <Reedy>	 Helpful...
[19:20:48] <^demon>	 chrismcmahon: :)
[19:21:10] <MatmaRex>	 Krenair: i'm on Windows and it never complains, as well!
[19:21:16] <MatmaRex>	 :D
[19:21:17] <Isarra>	 For that matter, why does it even care what the permissions are? There aren't any other users besides root...
[19:21:25] <Vulpix>	 lol
[19:21:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WikiEditor issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24493  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:22:00] <Vulpix>	 I hope you aren't using root for git :)
[19:22:29] <Isarra>	 I don't think sshd would like that.
[19:22:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fatal exception of type MWException on is.wikt on RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  +comment (10spacebirdy)
[19:23:17] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) UploadWizard 1.2 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27801  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:23:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Implemented data model in JS" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28312
[19:23:29] <Isarra>	 Crap, I need a new key.
[19:23:59] <Krenair>	 I've been watching the Vagrant thread on wikitech-l and wondered what this meeting involving Hangout/YouTube is about.. Anything interesting?
[19:26:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs bot: add to wikivoyage channel and customize output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41142  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:27:33] <Isarra>	 Waaaait, was mediawiki using git in march?
[19:27:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Config Overhaul - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36370  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:29:38] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Yes, started in March or maybe end of February.
[19:29:50] <Isarra>	 It looks different now.
[19:30:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedSites] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28557
[19:30:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28589
[19:30:15] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: The Gerrit interface changed significantly, yes
[19:30:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add PostEdit to 1.21wmf1" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28596
[19:30:36] <Isarra>	 I wouldn't know anything about that.
[19:32:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No fa_sha1 schema update for PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41114  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:33:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add PostEdit to wmf/1.21wmf2" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28597
[19:34:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28597
[19:34:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bug of PNG math rendering of "\scriptstyle 3" after 1.21-wmf2 relase - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41188 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (thomaspt)
[19:36:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/RelatedSites] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28557
[19:36:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raise $wgMaxImageArea to 25 megapixels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41125  summary; +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[19:36:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bug of PNG math rendering of "\scriptstyle 3" after 1.21-wmf2 relase - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41188  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:37:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Malafaya)
[19:38:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28596
[19:38:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add fields to inform the wiki(s) to which configuration requests refers to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36539  (10Andre Klapper)
[19:38:59] <wikibugs>	 06(LATER) Config Overhaul - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36370  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:39:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove IP throttle for account creation (provide override whitelist via a MediaWiki extension?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25000  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:39:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make it possible to override account creation throttle on-wiki. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36367  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:42:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Config Overhaul - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36370  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[19:44:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add AWB to list of products - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39072  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:44:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "Calendar view for the filtered format." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27831
[19:44:39] <Vulpix>	 Special:ExtensionDistributor seems to be down again
[19:45:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Massaf; "Fix position of 'x' dismissal" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28598
[19:46:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) texvc utility not available on 1.21-wmf2 wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41188  summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:46:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to index Bugzilla bugs by Wikimedia wiki family - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38994  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:47:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eranroz; "Namespace selection option in Special:CategoryTree" [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25009
[19:49:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) all to a member function getText() on a non-object at Message.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41186  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:49:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend: Reference in summary section comes up but shows empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41118  (10Jon)
[19:49:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Corrected support for MediaWikis older than 1.17" [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28600
[19:50:00] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28559/ is also fairly simpe
[19:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: VitaliyFilippov; [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28600
[19:50:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Spinningspark)
[19:51:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Swalling; "Minor fix to match icon and X line height." [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28598
[19:51:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[19:51:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eranroz; "Namespace selection option in Special:CategoryTree" [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25009
[19:54:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Removed outdated FileRepo docs." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28601
[19:56:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28601
[19:56:16] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Spinningspark)
[19:56:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Load 1.8.2 over 1.16's 1.3.2" [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28602
[19:57:26] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: why didn't ci run for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28559/ ?
[19:57:47] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Add Bugzilla components for Wikivoyage extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41111  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:57:48] <^demon>	 Erm? https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/
[19:57:54] <^demon>	 hashar: Is jenkins ok?
[19:58:34] <^demon>	 Aborted the hung run.
[19:59:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add AWB to list of products - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39072  +comment (10Marios Magioladitis)
[19:59:22] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: Jenkins was hung on a run. Retriggered them.
[19:59:25] <^demon>	 Should catch up soon
[20:05:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28559
[20:07:06] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) texvc utility not available on 1.21-wmf2 wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41188  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:09:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) texvc utility not available on 1.21-wmf2 wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41188  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:10:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Switch to $.ajax() instead of the deprecated sajax_do_call()" [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28602
[20:12:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: VitaliyFilippov; [mediawiki/extensions/SlimboxThumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28602
[20:13:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Many SVG files have stopped rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41174  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:13:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Andre Klapper)
[20:13:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Offset is incorrect after alienInline in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41117  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[20:20:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Messages are missing message documentation (/qqq) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41189 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Validator; (mediawiki)
[20:21:14] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Backspace in list: deleted character re-appears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41066  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[20:21:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Messages are missing message documentation (/qqq) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41189   +i18n (10[[kgh]])
[20:22:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "Fix for native deletion - it was breaking document (model and view) when deleting really fast (holding the key for example). This solution completely fix the problem, however it is not optimal - stop and start is called more often than should be." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28603
[20:32:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "Calendar view for the filtered format." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27831
[20:38:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(bug 41175) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28550
[20:38:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:42:15] <Isarra>	 Are there any female mediawiki developers?
[20:42:43] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: Yes! Many! sumanah will have more details when she logs on, I think :)
[20:42:49] <marktraceur>	 (should be any second now)
[20:43:09] <Isarra>	 O_o
[20:43:50] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: 13:39 <Isarra> Are there any female mediawiki developers?
[20:43:52] <Isarra>	 Oooo! There's a Fran!
[20:44:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Reedy; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28550
[20:44:20] * Isarra  huggles franny.

[20:44:44] <sumanah>	 hi marktraceur 
[20:44:47] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in User.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41175  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:45:36] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: yes: Katie Horn, Fran, Tiffany May Stevens, some other folks as well
[20:45:43] <sumanah>	 Isarra: ^
[20:45:55] <sumanah>	 I'm a woman and I have indeed landed a commit or two
[20:45:58] <Isarra>	 That's not very many, though.
[20:46:01] <Isarra>	 Hmm.
[20:46:04] <sumanah>	 No. I'm working on that.
[20:46:09] <Isarra>	 Oh?
[20:46:14] <sumanah>	 Yes.
[20:46:26] <Isarra>	 How's that working out?
[20:46:32] <sumanah>	 Slow.
[20:46:38] <Isarra>	 Oh.
[20:46:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:LinkSearch cannot search with a port in the url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40588  +comment (10MrBlueSky)
[20:47:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Fastily)
[20:47:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:LinkSearch cannot search with a port in the url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40588  (10MrBlueSky)
[20:47:42] <Isarra>	 Man, these forms need a cleanup...
[20:48:32] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  +comment (10TMg)
[20:48:35] <sjobeck>	 hey, hi, all, hope you are well. quick question. ust upgraded to 1.19 and it changes the FROM email name and alias for the notifications. Any one know where to find the option to customize the name of the sender of those edit notifications?
[20:50:01] <Reedy>	 $wgPasswordSenderName
[20:50:13] <Reedy>	 name isn't very accurate...
[20:50:17] <sjobeck>	 Reedy = thanks
[20:50:43] <sumanah>	 Isarra: which forms in particular? file bugs?
[20:51:23] <Isarra>	 No, in the mediawiki. Style-wise.
[20:51:40] <sumanah>	 Isarra: Please file bugs and suggest how to improve them
[20:51:51] <sumanah>	 I can bring them to the attention of the design team
[20:52:05] <Isarra>	 That might give them ideas.
[20:52:27] <sumanah>	 Yeah!
[20:52:56] <Isarra>	 Considering some of their previous ideas, I'm not sure I want that. >.>
[20:53:32] <MatmaRex>	 haha
[20:55:03] <sumanah>	 And yet, if you complain here but don't file bugs, that's not terribly effective.
[20:56:07] <Isarra>	 Who says I was complaining? Could I not try to do something about it myself?
[20:56:26] <sumanah>	 You absolutely can!
[20:56:42] <sumanah>	 It sounds like you are going to try to fix -- in which case, apologies, and thanks!
[20:57:17] <sumanah>	 (You have been complaining a lot in general in this channel so I read this particular observation in that context.)
[20:57:31] <Isarra>	 Sorry.
[20:58:06] * sumanah  shakes Isarra's hand in a sort of firm "no worries" handshake

[20:58:34] * sumanah  sees https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40588

[20:58:37] <sumanah>	 Yay, MrBlueSky is back!
[20:58:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) all to a member function getText() on a non-object at Message.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41186  (10Siebrand)
[20:59:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function getText() on a non-object at Message.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41186  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:59:22] <sumanah>	 IIRC, MrBlueSky's contributions waned a bit this year, glad to see the return
[21:01:54] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Plus, the name is awesome and puts a song in one's head! Always a plus.
[21:01:54] <Isarra>	 Note to self... frying the wiki database makes it harder to test changes.
[21:02:21] * Isarra  offers fried grasshoppers to the channel.

[21:03:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Added a README file ala FileRepo." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28606
[21:06:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[21:12:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "Is this meant to replace the earlier change of the icon graphic, or complement it?" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28598
[21:14:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "I don't have +2 rights for PostEdit !?" [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28598
[21:15:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "CSS fine, JS tested on piramido, so..." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[21:16:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28598
[21:18:24] <sumanah>	 Isarra: ooh, I tried fried grasshoppers once! I think they weren't spiced in an appealing way though .... and the crunching was unnerving
[21:19:02] <Isarra>	 So won't be trying them again?
[21:19:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Updated release notes for job queue refactoring." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28608
[21:20:10] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) MF beta left nav bar, ribbon do not show in Opera Mini - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40906  +comment (10Jon)
[21:20:12] <Isarra>	 Where should styling for the textarea go? Most of the skins have their own thing for it, but this would be the same for all of them if applicable at all... and the ones that wouldn't be applicable are being removed anyway.
[21:20:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Cleaned up path normalization for caching." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28609
[21:21:06] <sumanah>	 Isarra: I would be willing to try fried grasshoppers again but I think I'd prefer not to *order* them and pay for them :-) 
[21:21:10] <Isarra>	 Ah, heh.
[21:21:23] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: what kind of styling?
[21:21:39] <MatmaRex>	 oh, and those skins are hopefully not being removed, not all of them, at least
[21:21:39] <Reedy>	 Warning:  Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf2/includes/User.php on line 4192
[21:21:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Images loading in dynamic sections even when images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41091   +easy; +comment (10Jon)
[21:21:41] <Reedy>	 God damn you warning.
[21:21:54] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: For this. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40610
[21:22:18] <MatmaRex>	 o hi Reedy, i though you were supposed to merge a fix for a certain different warning from CologneBlue
[21:22:28] <Reedy>	 I never agreed to anything :p
[21:22:33] <Isarra>	 Well, actually, for the wikieditor one? My brain hurts.
[21:22:49] <MatmaRex>	 Reedy: ;)
[21:23:04] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: probably in the same place that similar styles are defined already
[21:23:19] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: does this issue happen in all skins?
[21:23:21] <Isarra>	 So repeat it in every skin? >.>
[21:23:21] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: Isarra is pretty new and will probably need some pointers
[21:23:29] <sumanah>	 to the relevant files
[21:23:35] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: depends :P
[21:23:43] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: there are some common styles in /skins/common/
[21:23:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:23:57] <Isarra>	 Each skin has its own thing for textarea styling, but this is the same for all of them except some really dumb ones which deserve to be killed with fire.
[21:23:57] <Isarra>	 FIRE.
[21:23:58] <MatmaRex>	 except that for some reason some of them are not really common, i have no idea why... :(
[21:24:11] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: yeah, probably you'll have to repeat it for all of them
[21:24:18] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: keep in mind there exist non-WMF skins too
[21:24:27] <MatmaRex>	 that could theoretically get broken by this CSS
[21:24:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update extension PostEdit to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28610
[21:24:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28609
[21:24:58] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: i'm doing my best :)
[21:25:11] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: thanks! sorry for redundancy.
[21:25:27] <sumanah>	 you've seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/User_preferences#Skin ?
[21:25:28] <Isarra>	 Yes, this is breaking things, but this wouldn't be happening had this been fixed years ago... >.>
[21:25:29] <Reedy>	 svn: E155036: Please see the 'svn upgrade' command
[21:25:29] <Reedy>	 svn: E155036: Working copy '/home/reedy/mediawiki' is too old (format 10, created by Subversion 1.6)
[21:25:29] <Reedy>	 hah
[21:25:41] <Isarra>	 Aye...
[21:26:11] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: to me, many parts of MW are what i would call "deeply broken"
[21:26:28] <Isarra>	 Yes.
[21:26:31] <Isarra>	 They are.
[21:26:50] <Isarra>	 But that's... I don't even know.
[21:26:56] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: i think the best course of action here would be to just repeat the styles for all skins they apply to
[21:27:05] <Isarra>	 They apply to all of them. O_o
[21:27:08] <Isarra>	 Sort of.
[21:27:09] <MatmaRex>	 but what would that be, three skins? vector, monobook, modern?
[21:27:49] <MatmaRex>	 (sorry, i didn't look at what's the actual issue here :) )
[21:27:49] <Isarra>	 Wait, I'm an idiot.
[21:28:05] <Isarra>	 It's only showing up because of the wikieditor extension at all, so it should just go there, no?
[21:29:18] <Brooke>	  <MatmaRex> [17:26:11] Isarra: to me, many parts of MW are what i would call "deeply broken"
[21:29:21] <Brooke>	 sbm
[21:29:32] <Isarra>	 Hello, Brooke.
[21:29:38] <Brooke>	 Hi Isarra.
[21:29:41] <Brooke>	 Welcome to #mediawiki.
[21:30:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28610
[21:34:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "fix bug 41122, provide missing revId param in ApiQueryRevisions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28612
[21:34:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "Next patch will address Ori's comment comments." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[21:34:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  +comment (10Aude)
[21:35:28] <aude>	 Reedy: ^
[21:35:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Remove benefits text; minor CSS and text tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[21:35:59] <Reedy>	 aude: srsly? xD
[21:36:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28461
[21:36:14] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: i don't know, probably?
[21:36:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Ori.livneh; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28553
[21:36:40] <Reedy>	 yup
[21:36:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28612
[21:37:01] <Reedy>	 I need to kill off most of this svn checkout...
[21:37:24] <aude>	 :o
[21:37:45] <Reedy>	 my dev webserver vm is upgrading my svn checkout to 1.7
[21:37:46] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: i don't think i understand what is this bug about :(
[21:38:01] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: your CSS doesn't seem to change anything when applies to a regular edit page
[21:38:12] <aude>	 Reedy: any other new bugs in the past hours?
[21:38:48] <Reedy>	 aude: not seen any yet... https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41175 is a warning that's pissing me off, it could be contenthandler related, but I think it's unlikely ;)
[21:38:57] * aude  looks

[21:39:16] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: i got to go now, but feel free to contact me via e-mail or at [[user talk:Matma Rex]] :)
[21:39:23] <aude>	 i can take a look, but going home first :)
[21:39:58] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: (oh, i see now that it requires HTML changes, too, i misread.)
[21:40:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:41:12] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: Yeah, it's a mess. And thanks.
[21:45:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Changes to use variant length prefixes and fragments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28527
[21:49:41] <sumanah>	 Looking at bugs filed today......
[21:50:28] <swarnava>	 Hi,I'm Using 1.19.2 with MySQL DB..  All i want is to use my own CSS on Media Wiki... As per manual i tried to download Extension:CSS from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/CSS... but not able to downlode. Any help
[21:50:53] <sumanah>	 hi swarnava - when you try to download Extension:CSS what error do you yet?
[21:51:19] <Reedy>	 it's broken
[21:51:19] <sumanah>	 Are you running into this bug? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41081
[21:51:26] <swarnava>	 Invalid response from Extension Distributor remote client.
[21:51:33] <sumanah>	 swarnava: you can download the extension in a different way
[21:51:50] <Reedy>	 Also, can't that be done without an extension? :/
[21:51:53] <sumanah>	 swarnava: you can clone it https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/CSS.git;a=summary
[21:52:30] <Platonides>	 swarnava, maybe you can simply set it in the global CSS at MediaWiki:Common.css?
[21:54:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Sysops see "Fatal exception of type MWException" on is.wikt on RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[21:54:30] <swarnava>	 Thanks sumanah......
[21:54:56] <sumanah>	 Amgine: got a moment to test something for me on English Wiktionary?
[21:54:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Update E3Experiments for this week's deployment to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28613
[21:55:10] <swarnava>	 I'm very new in Media wiki.... should i place the Common.css in media wiki home
[21:55:19] <Reedy>	 !css
[21:55:19] <wm-bot>	 To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Vector.css is for the Vector skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[21:55:26] <swarnava>	 i can not see any Common.css aleady present
[21:56:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Spage; "Looks good, I have no rights" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28613
[21:56:12] <Reedy>	 It's not a physical file
[21:57:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28613
[21:57:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Uploading file with a slash in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41190 normal; MediaWiki: API; (M8R-udfkkf)
[21:59:31] <swarnava>	 Thanks guys...
[21:59:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Clear persistent stat cache if it mislead streamFile()." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28614
[22:00:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wpReasonList shouldn't be in ContentLanguage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41191 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (sam)
[22:00:31] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28614/
[22:01:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "don't act up on new dblist entries" [mediawiki/extensions/SiteMatrix] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28615
[22:01:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php fails to generate thumbnail of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41113  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:04:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "fix bug 41122, provide missing revId param in ApiQueryRevisions" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28617
[22:04:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Should work now. There is a few lines of commented out code that will create a few failures as the c..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28527
[22:04:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28617
[22:05:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Sysops see "Fatal exception of type MWException" on is.wikt on RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187   +i18n; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:05:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Catchable fatal error: Object of class ParserOptions could not be converted to string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41122  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:06:07] <Reedy>	 MatmaRex: there's loads of those warnings now :p
[22:06:26] <MatmaRex>	 what?
[22:06:32] <MatmaRex>	 oh, not my fault? :P
[22:07:04] <Reedy>	 CologneBlue!
[22:08:50] <sumanah>	 Today I Learned: "is" is the code for Icelandic
[22:09:41] <chrismcmahonafk>	 sumanah: heh. did you know that modern Icelandic is the same language as Old Norse? 
[22:10:13] <Brooke>	 is and it both result in false positives occasionally.
[22:10:20] <Brooke>	 As lang codes.
[22:10:27] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahonafk: NO WAY
[22:10:35] <chrismcmahonafk>	 sumanah: WAY
[22:10:39] <sumanah>	 DUDE
[22:11:26] <chrismcmahonafk>	 sumanah: my father is a (retired) linguist who was an authority on Old Norse, among other weird things
[22:11:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Sysops see "Fatal exception of type MWException" on is.wikt on RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:11:43] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Sysops see "Fatal exception of type MWException" on is.wikt on RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41187  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:11:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LinkCache doesn't currently know about this title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37209  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:12:52] <marktraceur>	 chrismcmahon: Did he say that mostly because saying he was an authourity on Icelandic wasn't as interesting?
[22:13:39] <chrismcmahon>	 marktraceur: nope, because he mostly dealt with really old texts
[22:13:48] <marktraceur>	 Ah
[22:15:48] <sumanah>	 ("pl" meaning "Polish" and "Perl" has tripped up people in the past)
[22:17:15] <marktraceur>	 "In what language are you fluent?" "pl" "Oh, I never understood all the symbols' meanings."
[22:17:44] <AaronSchulz>	 huh, the broken message with UW work on my testwiki with debug=1
[22:20:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LinkCache doesn't currently know about this title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37209  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[22:21:54] <Reedy>	 my svn checkout is over 8GB :/
[22:22:02] <Brooke>	 Showoff.
[22:22:09] <Reedy>	 I'm deleting it
[22:22:36] <preilly>	 did someone mention me?
[22:22:36] <AaronSchulz>	 internal_api_error_UploadStashBadPathException
[22:22:42] <AaronSchulz>	 wtf, really for "30_Doradus,_Tarantula_Nebula_test.jpg"?
[22:25:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Subheadings do not show in dynamically loaded sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41192 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); (jrobson)
[22:26:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Subheadings do not show in dynamically loaded sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41192  +comment (10Jon)
[22:28:46] <Isarra>	 Guys, what's a good OS for a webserver?
[22:29:00] <Reedy>	 "good" is subjective
[22:29:21] <Isarra>	 For a mediawiki.
[22:29:30] <Isarra>	 Run by morons.
[22:29:31] * AaronSchulz  pokes Reedy about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28614/ more :)

[22:29:47] <Reedy>	 There's no point using an OS you're not at all familiar with
[22:30:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28614
[22:31:00] <Isarra>	 Supposing the morons are familiar with it, what would you suggest?
[22:31:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Clear persistent stat cache if it mislead streamFile()." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28621
[22:31:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:31:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28621
[22:32:25] <vap1>	 greetings all. I'm trying to add a wibya bar to the bottom of my mediawiki pages. Basically what I need is the ability to have a script loaded on every page. 
[22:32:25] <vap1>	 its a <script> that links to a .js file.
[22:32:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/SiteMatrix] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28615
[22:32:52] <Reedy>	 !js
[22:32:52] <wm-bot>	 To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /vector.js (assuming your skin is vector) subpage of your userpage. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript
[22:33:34] <Krenair>	 Isarra, I'd recommend Ubuntu/Debian/Fedora
[22:33:42] <Krenair>	 WMF uses Ubuntu
[22:33:52] <Isarra>	 Hmm...
[22:34:04] <Krenair>	 Which is based on Debian.
[22:34:50] <marktraceur>	 Isarra: I have had similar success with Trisquel GNU/Linux, which is based on Ubuntu.
[22:36:00] <Isarra>	 Of ubuntu and debian, which requires more work to use? >.>
[22:36:23] <Isarra>	 Being out of date results in work, having stupid defaults that require overriding is work...
[22:38:24] <chrismcmahon>	 Isarra: someone more knowledgeable may correct me, but my understanding is that debian and ubuntu are essentially equivalent in terms of power, but Ubuntu has a nicer default desktop from the start.  
[22:39:06] <Isarra>	 For a server, that is a rather moot point.
[22:39:20] <Dantman>	 Ubuntu is more willing to support non-free things. and 'usually' has a better update cycle
[22:40:16] <Krenair>	 Isarra, probably Debian requires more work... Ubuntu is generally considered the easiest distro to newbies. Though I doubt there's a large difference, especially on a server without a GUI
[22:40:37] <Isarra>	 Mmkay.
[22:40:45] <Isarra>	 Thanks, all.
[22:41:41] <sumanah>	 hoo|away has been on a roll this month :-) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:hoo%2540online.de,n,z
[22:42:01] <sumanah>	 and Dereckson as well https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Dereckson,n,z :-)
[22:42:29] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Redirect loop after wiki-migration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15166  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:42:45] <hoo|away>	 sumanah: Yes, indeed :) :D
[22:48:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Update E3Experiments for this week's deployment to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28624
[22:49:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28624
[22:49:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fatal installer error using Oracle DB (HTTP 500 error): undefined function mb_check_encoding() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41146  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[22:49:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle DB support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38916  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:52:22] <Krenair>	 hoo|away, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28437/ - oh wow, are we seriously supposed to be using the word-separator message for spaces?
[22:53:04] <hoo|away>	 Krenair: Not sure... I just did it, as I was on that
[22:54:03] <Reedy>	 Yeah...
[22:54:03] <Reedy>	 'word-separator' => '&#32;',
[22:54:20] <Brooke>	 What.
[22:54:42] <Reedy>	 that's the default, hah
[22:54:56] <Reedy>	 in Chinese it's ''
[22:55:03] <Krenair>	 A few languages set it to ''
[22:55:19] <Reedy>	 i see numerous have the same as teh default
[22:55:22] <Brooke>	 separate
[22:56:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW 1.9: Implement action=browse (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28436
[22:56:21] <Brooke>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki?action=info
[22:56:31] <Brooke>	 I sitll think the Page protection section is awkward.
[22:56:32] <Brooke>	 still
[22:57:49] <Amgine>	 Sumanah: now I do. Wassup?
[22:57:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Solr backend for spatial searches" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27610
[22:59:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW 1.9: Implement action=browse (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28436
[23:00:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Christian; "(bug 41055) Fixing large content copy and paste from external source for Firefox/Windows" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28628
[23:00:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading file with a slash in name removes all letters preceding it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41190  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:02:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW 1.9: Implement action=browse (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28436
[23:03:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Pasting text doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41055  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[23:03:56] <sumanah>	 hi Amgine - it's taken care of, I think
[23:03:58] <sumanah>	 thanks though!
[23:04:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Solr backend for spatial searches" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27610
[23:04:25] <Amgine>	 yw. Sorry I was afk.
[23:04:39] <sumanah>	 No prob! I was able to find someone else in #wiktionary.
[23:04:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Please support copy and paste from different surfaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41193 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (orbit)
[23:04:48] * sumanah  attempts To Be Resourceful

[23:05:12] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Please support copy and paste from different surfaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41193  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[23:10:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[23:18:49] <sumanah>	 andre__: hey. Just wanted to check in re the vibe of the bug tracker :-)
[23:20:05] <andre__>	 sumanah: All funky! (Discuss one problem and end up with three new ones for free!) ;)
[23:20:07] <sumanah>	 HA
[23:20:33] <leucosticte>	 i'm adding a couple fields (ar_id and ar_logid) to the archive table to fix this bug, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39675 . I was wondering, what general principles apply when deciding whether to add an index for a field? Is it a good idea to add an index whenever one anticipates the table will have a lot of rows and that queries will use that field in a WHERE condition?
[23:21:02] <sumanah>	 hi leucosticte - did you by any chance catch https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout/MySQL_Optimization/Tutorial ?
[23:21:16] <sumanah>	 that might help you out
[23:21:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Christian; "Fixes all fast delete problems in Chrome. When testing this in Firefox, there appears to still be fa..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28603
[23:21:35] <sumanah>	 andre__: I'm looking at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41190 re API upload. do you know how to reproduce that?
[23:22:10] <sumanah>	 andre__: I know you asked whether it's on current Wikipedia or on the reporter's own site
[23:23:17] <andre__>	 sumanah: you are welcome to add more questions. :P Yeah, I agree that "api upload" isn't very clear when it comes to steps
[23:23:34] <sumanah>	 andre__: if you want, join me in #pywikipedia as I ask our pywikipediabot users whether they can repro it
[23:23:53] <andre__>	 uh, didn't know that channel exists
[23:25:20] <sumanah>	 andre__: yeah .... there are lists of our IRC channels but that's different from knowing it in your muscle memory
[23:25:35] <sumanah>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_on_IRC
[23:25:44] <sumanah>	 also those lists are probably outdated
[23:26:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading file with a slash in name removes all letters preceding it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41190  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:27:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Patch set #4 does what it says. Left right for RTL is still a bit itchy, but switching between Speci..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28436
[23:27:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading file with a slash in name removes all letters preceding it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41190  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:28:53] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: does that help?
[23:29:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Please support copy and paste from different surfaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41193  summary (10Christian Williams)
[23:30:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) initialization of the Language object is very heavy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41103  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[23:30:15] <leucosticte>	 i took a look through the slide deck. I'm trying to do a cost-benefit analysis -- what are the downsides of adding an index? does it use enough resources that indices should be added sparingly?
[23:30:52] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Make beta design work on older devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40993  (10Jon)
[23:31:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tychay; "I'll order someone to kill this extension off of the cluster. :-)" [mediawiki/extensions/ReaderFeedback] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26770
[23:31:43] <leucosticte>	 sumanah:
[23:31:54] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: you might want to jump into #wikimedia-tech and talk to binasher
[23:32:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unsupported operand types at Language.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41194 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (sam)
[23:32:18] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: or preilly . They are experts on Wikimedia & performance
[23:32:37] <leucosticte>	 sumanah: ok, thanks!
[23:32:37] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Enable NewUserMessage extension on four th projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31600  +comment (10Dereckson)
[23:33:24] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: the person who gave that presentation on MySQL optimization is Roan Kattouw, and he answers questions on the wikitech-l mailing list, and is in IRC many days (just not today).
[23:33:27] <sumanah>	 !lists | leucosticte 
[23:33:27] <wm-bot>	 leucosticte: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[23:34:18] <Isarra>	 How the buckets does one write a descriptive summary in under 62 characters?
[23:34:29] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Enable Narayam and Webfonts extensions on "mr" projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39200  +comment (10Dereckson)
[23:34:32] <sumanah>	 Isarra: there's been discussion about that on the wikitech-l list in the last 2 days
[23:34:49] <Dereckson>	 Hello here.
[23:35:30] <sumanah>	 Isarra: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Commit_message_guidelines may help you
[23:35:39] <Isarra>	 That's what I'm looking at.
[23:35:49] <sumanah>	 also Isarra http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/305055
[23:36:21] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Cursor jumps at the top/bottom of page after particular deletions/moves - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41093  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[23:36:33] <Dereckson>	 I'm happy. I've written unit tests for our configuration file InitializeSettings.php. I thought they would have been useful for the future, but surprise, my tests found some issues like 2 extensions undeployed (and old stuff to clean).
[23:37:03] <sumanah>	 Dereckson: neat! yeah, when you do a deep clean you sometimes find stuff under the sofa :-)
[23:37:22] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Call to a member function isEmpty() on a non-object in EditPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41178  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:38:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Cleaning up the new log line on end of transaction, and a lot of bugs I found looking at the output after the first pass." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28640
[23:44:01] <sumanah>	 Dereckson: our test coverage is just abysmal right now and every little bit helps, so thank you for writing tests
[23:45:02] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: btw thank you for working on this
[23:45:20] <sumanah>	 leucosticte: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers is out-of-date but feel free to add yourself :-)
[23:45:59] <sumanah>	 also leucosticte you know about Wikimedia Labs?
[23:47:00] <Dereckson>	 You're welcome.
[23:47:51] <Isarra>	 What's the proper word for a change thing?
[23:48:01] <leucosticte>	 sumanah: you're welcome. i'm not too familiar with labs yet.
[23:48:05] <sumanah>	 Isarra: perhaps you mean a "changeset"?
[23:48:19] <sumanah>	 Isarra: "patchset" and "commit" are also good synonyms to "changeset"
[23:48:47] <Isarra>	 Ooooh...
[23:49:21] <sumanah>	 I may be misunderstanding that you mean, though.  When you are talking about a wiki page, changing the content on it is a "revision" or "diff".
[23:49:30] <Isarra>	 So what's the difference between a change and a patch and a patchset and... or are all of those the same?
[23:49:44] <sumanah>	 Well, er, I mean, the act of changing it is a revision, any given state is a revision, and the change you made is a diff
[23:49:54] <Isarra>	 I'm talking about a bunch of... uh... something about a commit.
[23:50:23] <sumanah>	 Given that language is socially constructed, there are going to be some ambiguities and synonyms here, but I will do my best to lay things out
[23:50:40] * Isarra  considers just calling everything the first thing that comes to mind.

[23:51:35] <sumanah>	 Isarra: you might be interested in Hofstadter's work on language granularity & usefulness
[23:51:35] <sumanah>	 but anyway, back to the problem at hand
[23:52:26] * Isarra  writes a completely horrible commit message and then wonders vaguely if it will result in Brooke yelling at her again.

[23:52:33] <sumanah>	 when you suggest a change to code in Wikimedia's repositories, I think "commit" and "patchset" and "changeset" are synonyms.  "Change" is a little vague because, without context, "change" could mean something like a change in procedure or custom
[23:52:40] <Brooke>	 Isarra: Yes, but usually on the associated bug.
[23:52:47] <Brooke>	 I don't comment on Gerrit.
[23:53:02] <Isarra>	 I think you already yelled at me about the associated bug.
[23:53:08] <Brooke>	 Probably.
[23:53:17] <Isarra>	 Thanks, sumanah. This is very strange to me.
[23:53:58] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Cursor appears misplaced after adding item to list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41064  +comment (10Inez Korczyński)
[23:54:14] <sumanah>	 Isarra: A "patchset" or "changeset" could include multiple individual file changes, and because one can get all hair-splitting-pedantic about whether changes to 2 files are 1 change or 2 changes, we just sort of pluralize/aggregate the thing and call it a "patchset"
[23:54:41] <Isarra>	 >.<
[23:54:42] <sumanah>	 however, confusingly, you may hear someone just call a patchset a "patch"
[23:54:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28521
[23:54:58] <sumanah>	 The easiest thing to do is probably to call it a patchset
[23:55:09] <Isarra>	 So I should call it a 'patch pile of changiness set'. Got it.
[23:55:11] <sumanah>	 "In this patchset, I solve the world's problems"
[23:55:14] <Isarra>	 ...or that.
[23:55:25] <sumanah>	 "I committed a patchset the other day and it rocked"
[23:56:40] <sumanah>	 Isarra: you are welcome. It does take a while to ramp up; we have specialized needs and so we develop jargon to communicate faster, but of course that comes with the cost of losing understandability to new people.